Norway was also slammed by WADA for its failure to test underage athletes.
The head of biathlon has been arrepted for corruption and collusion with Russia
Norway has a lot of problems with doping in its most prevalent sports like biathlon and cross country skiing. The only reason it hasnt shown up in athletics yet is because there were so few of them before the recent surge
So your scale is only your opinion and is not supported by facts. Similarly you can choose to blindly accept Nordas explanations for such an improvement while disregarding the others explanations but do not pretend it is any kind of rational or objective analysis.
I see similar progressions in the same season from many other 1500m contenders (Mario García Romo, George Mills, Cam Myers, Andrew Coscoran, Niels Laros, etc)
Probably they are 3/4 seconds faster using the new shoes.
Also, it could be a new legal supplement (I read something about bicarbonate used by many TDF riders)
I see similar progressions in the same season from many other 1500m contenders (Mario García Romo, George Mills, Cam Myers, Andrew Coscoran, Niels Laros, etc)
I guess white people just have the gene that makes them medal contenders from one season to the next.
How ridiculous to include Myers and Laros in the 'suspicious progression' group.
Agreed, people were suspicious of Katir since 2021 but give a pass on Nordas.
Nordas was a 5000/1000m runner dropping down to the 1500m.
Katir was always a 1500/5000 runner and went from fringe national class to all time great.
Nordas switched coaches, to the coach of the current Olympic 1500m champion.
Katir switched coaches, to a guy who was literally a Baker the year before, and had no connection to athletics. Hi improvement also came during lockdown.
Nordas is Norwegian, one of the least corrupt countries on Earth, with no doping record in athletics.
Katir is Moroccan, coming to Spain as an illegal immigrant. Morocco has a rampant culture of doping in athletics, with no concept that 'cheating is wrong', and Spain has had state sponsored doping since the 1980's, and was recently slammed by WADA over their lack of testing standards. Katir's manager also managed dopers like Cacho, and gave an interview in which he said convicted dopers should be given second, third, and fourth chances. Katir never denied that he doped (and still hasn't) and reacted to accusations by claiming to have slept with the accusers wives.
Of course Nordas and his improvement is remarkable, and hopefully he is being scrutinised closely and tested more often than most, but on a scale of 1 -10 likely doping I would say :
Jake Wightman 1
Nick Willis 1
Josh Kerr 2 (for being based in USA)
Jakob 2.5 (simply for being so good)
Nordas 3.5 (remarkable improvement)
Nuguse 4 (remarkable improvement)
Potato Tim 7.5 (Kenyan, training partner of Manangois)
Makhloufi 9.5
Katir 10 (before suspension)
Nordas and Jakob are definitely on the sauce, naive one.
Everyone at the upper end of things are doping. At least thyroid meds and asthma meds. Low dose steroids or at least testosterone. EPO. HGH. The least likely dopers (to me) are any of the top 3 in the USA marathon trials, or most Japanese marathon runners and a smattering through most countries. Merely an opinion. By the way, check out the asthma figures for the Norwegian cross country ski team.
Think there was a thread on this but some twitter sleuths have done a great job breaking down the results. Initial Tweet: https://twitter.com/GlenCottingley/status/1232638553814945796 Organized by Country: https://twitter.com...
Relevo ha tenido acceso a documentación sobre los controles fallidos que no se notificaron a los deportistas ni se registraron ante la Agencia Mundial Antidopaje.
Not to say that all top Americans are clean (I for one would not be surprised to one day find that a certain medalist from the US wasn't clean in his heyday), but those of us who watched Yared's collegiate progression aren't very surprised by his massive improvements. I remember when he solo'd a 3:34 1500 in a conference Prelim in college. With some help you'd think he was in 3:32 shape then, right? Then join Dathan's group where he bumped the mileage up to 90 and addressed the aerobic engine side of things, and here we are. Not that surprising IMHO.
Perhaps I'm just a little jaded after the Katir thing.
I just don't really understand where Narve came from? He went from 3:36 to 3:29 in one season, and now people talk casually about him being a medal contender again, as if he's been some perennial top-tier 1500m guy. Seriously, where did he come from and how did he make such a huge jump at 24?
I posted your article yesterday in the main Katir thread.
The article only shed light on the fact that the Spanish Anti-doping agency is not doing their work correctly by informing the athletes in the right time.
I guess white people just have the gene that makes them medal contenders from one season to the next.
How ridiculous to include Myers and Laros in the 'suspicious progression' group.
I never said that Laros or Myers necessarily have suspicious progressions. On the contrary, I say that the progression of many medal contenders (in 2022-2024 period) may have other reasons apart from doping (spikes, nutrition, age in the case of Laros or Myers, etc).
I see similar progressions in the same season from many other 1500m contenders (Mario García Romo, George Mills, Cam Myers, Andrew Coscoran, Niels Laros, etc)
I guess white people just have the gene that makes them medal contenders from one season to the next.
Garcia Romo isn't white, moran. He's Hispanic. A white Hispanic but still Hispanic
I see similar progressions in the same season from many other 1500m contenders (Mario García Romo, George Mills, Cam Myers, Andrew Coscoran, Niels Laros, etc)
Probably they are 3/4 seconds faster using the new shoes.
Also, it could be a new legal supplement (I read something about bicarbonate used by many TDF riders)
Adam Fogg 3:55.7 to 3:49.6 at age 25
Fogg ran 3:35 over the 1500m two times in 2023 and only ran one mile race (3:55.7) which he won by 3 sec. He has now had a full year with the professional team and 2 of the Americans on the team posted a 3:51 this indoor season
I posted your article yesterday in the main Katir thread.
The article only shed light on the fact that the Spanish Anti-doping agency is not doing their work correctly by informing the athletes in the right time.
Combine willful dereliction of duty by the national testing agency with missing 3 tests for very strange reasons, tuck away in the far flung Sierra Nevada, add an agent that seems to excuse doping in athletes, and you’ll have a man that drops his 5k a minute in one year and dips below 3’30. Excluding 3 missed tests, the same can also be said for Nordås.
I posted your article yesterday in the main Katir thread.
The article only shed light on the fact that the Spanish Anti-doping agency is not doing their work correctly by informing the athletes in the right time.
Combine willful dereliction of duty by the national testing agency with missing 3 tests for very strange reasons, tuck away in the far flung Sierra Nevada, add an agent that seems to excuse doping in athletes, and you’ll have a man that drops his 5k a minute in one year and dips below 3’30. Excluding 3 missed tests, the same can also be said for Nordås.
We need to define doping. Asthma medicine? Microdosing? Thyroid medicine? Everyone is pushing the envelope at the very least or they can't compete regardless of country. Everyone is doing as much as they can get away with. Katir, the kenyans, The burrito, and Norway's asthma issues are the standard not the exception. Enjoy the show
Nordas did not switch coaches. He’s been coached by Gjert for years. Altitude being introduced into his training and the removal of the brothers from the group is what changed if you are looking for something.
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