From Leo's appendicitis in October to Lex's broken arm last month -- no need to guess -- very good runs by both.
L&L now 1-2 on Stanford's frosh all-time indoor/outdoor 3k list.
Faster at the 3k than Grant Fisher, Ky Robinson, Cole Sprout, Sean McGorty, Chris Derrick, Jonathan Riley, Michael Stember, Gabe Jennings, the Hauser twins, et al, were in their first year on The Farm.
That's it for their indoor season.
Likely to open their outdoor season March 29-30 at the Stanford Invitational.
With Ky & Cole to pull them along, L&L might have a sniff at Nico's 13:24.26 U20 US record.
L&L now 1-2 on Stanford's frosh all-time indoor/outdoor 3k list.
Faster at the 3k than Grant Fisher, Ky Robinson, Cole Sprout, Sean McGorty, Chris Derrick, Jonathan Riley, Michael Stember, Gabe Jennings, the Hauser twins, et al, were in their first year on The Farm.
That's it for their indoor season.
Likely to open their outdoor season March 29-30 at the Stanford Invitational.
With Ky & Cole to pull them along, L&L might have a sniff at Nico's 13:24.26 U20 US record.
more people = more talent = more high level competitors
How have India and China done there? Two countries with 3 billion people and for the vast proportion of their modern histories, very, very little to show for it in distance running. Contrast them with Newbury Park High School under the Brosnans. They produced 8 sub-9 3200m men, including Lex and Leo, in a five year span. It's not about population; it's about coaching, training partners, and the willingness to follow advice.
Yeah, strange that Stanford's freshmen records (linked above) don't list that race. Probably an oversight.
Wasn’t he RS?
Yes he was competing unattached. The records are slightly misleading because technically Grant Fisher has run the fastest freshmen indoor 3000m time at Stanford but it can't be listed officially I suppose.
Two countries with 3 billion people and for the vast proportion of their modern histories, very, very little to show for it in distance running.
Contrast them with Newbury Park High School under the Brosnans. They produced 8 sub-9 3200m men, including Lex and Leo, in a five year span. It's not about population; it's about coaching, training partners, and the willingness to follow advice.
more people = more talent = more high level competitors
Your argument seems to misunderstand the factors that contribute to faster athletic times. You suggest that an increase in the world's population is directly responsible for faster track times. While you might be implying that more individuals participating in track could lead to this, it's important to note that track and field has consistently been one of the most popular high school sports, and there hasn't been a significant rise in the percentage of students participating. So, if we were to explore your theory that a larger population leads to faster times, we should carefully examine the actual data to see if there's evidence to support this claim:
# of DI Sub 4 minute miles | World Population Growth on a 20 Year Lag
2011: 22 | +1.7% (1991 growth)
2012: 33 | +1.6%
2013: 30 | +1.5%
2014: 26 | +1.5%
2015: 32 | +1.5%
2016: 35 | +1.4%
2017: 30 | +1.4%
2018: 30 | +1.4%
2019: 33 | +1.3%
2020: 35 | +1.3%
2021: 38 | +1.3%
2022: 90 | +1.3%
2023: 97 | +1.3%
2024 to date: 104 | +1.3% (2004 growth)
I want to call attention to the +137% growth of sub 4 miles between 2021 and 2022. This jump coincides with the release of supershoes, not some out of place step change in global population size at any point in the past 20 years, which you would expect to see if your logic is population size correlates with faster times. Furthermore, this increase does not correspond with the construction of new tracks, the creation of new competitions, widespread changes in coaching personnel, the spread of social media, or any other factors. It's the shoes.
more people = more talent = more high level competitors
How have India and China done there? Two countries with 3 billion people and for the vast proportion of their modern histories, very, very little to show for it in distance running. Contrast them with Newbury Park High School under the Brosnans. They produced 8 sub-9 3200m men, including Lex and Leo, in a five year span. It's not about population; it's about coaching, training partners, and the willingness to follow advice.
Have you asked Sean out on a date yet, or do you plan on going straight to a proposal. It’s called the luck of having the Youngs and Sahlmans come to your school.
more people = more talent = more high level competitors
Your argument seems to misunderstand the factors that contribute to faster athletic times. You suggest that an increase in the world's population is directly responsible for faster track times. While you might be implying that more individuals participating in track could lead to this, it's important to note that track and field has consistently been one of the most popular high school sports, and there hasn't been a significant rise in the percentage of students participating. So, if we were to explore your theory that a larger population leads to faster times, we should carefully examine the actual data to see if there's evidence to support this claim:
# of DI Sub 4 minute miles | World Population Growth on a 20 Year Lag
2011: 22 | +1.7% (1991 growth)
2012: 33 | +1.6%
2013: 30 | +1.5%
2014: 26 | +1.5%
2015: 32 | +1.5%
2016: 35 | +1.4%
2017: 30 | +1.4%
2018: 30 | +1.4%
2019: 33 | +1.3%
2020: 35 | +1.3%
2021: 38 | +1.3%
2022: 90 | +1.3%
2023: 97 | +1.3%
2024 to date: 104 | +1.3% (2004 growth)
I want to call attention to the +137% growth of sub 4 miles between 2021 and 2022. This jump coincides with the release of supershoes, not some out of place step change in global population size at any point in the past 20 years, which you would expect to see if your logic is population size correlates with faster times. Furthermore, this increase does not correspond with the construction of new tracks, the creation of new competitions, widespread changes in coaching personnel, the spread of social media, or any other factors. It's the shoes.
It ain’t the shoes, shoe shill, so drop it already.
Yes he was competing unattached. The records are slightly misleading because technically Grant Fisher has run the fastest freshmen indoor 3000m time at Stanford but it can't be listed officially I suppose.
Nah. Reasonably confident that it's an oversight. I'm an alum and will email them just for completeness' sake. There are no rules governing what a school lists as its own records, let alone frosh records, other than what it deems fit. I'd be genuinely surprised if their response is that he's "not eligible" for the frosh list because he ran unattached. I think the real problem is that the result isn't shown on TFRRS, which I also don't really understand, unattached or not. Seems like other unattached results show up on there all the time.
Yes he was competing unattached. The records are slightly misleading because technically Grant Fisher has run the fastest freshmen indoor 3000m time at Stanford but it can't be listed officially I suppose.
Nah. Reasonably confident that it's an oversight. I'm an alum and will email them just for completeness' sake. There are no rules governing what a school lists as its own records, let alone frosh records, other than what it deems fit. I'd be genuinely surprised if their response is that he's "not eligible" for the frosh list because he ran unattached. I think the real problem is that the result isn't shown on TFRRS, which I also don't really understand, unattached or not. Seems like other unattached results show up on there all the time.
The brothers are first and foremost students at Stanford and runners second. Add on top of that that they prefer to have fun doing other things outside of being student athletes, it's no surprise that their race times have plateaued. They are training at a higher level, but recovery both mentally and physically is more challenging. I'd definitely expect them to run 5000m PBs this spring and make steady progress throughout their time at Stanford. My only question is whether they try to graduate early before transferring to another top level academic institution.
Bullsh*t. Just like any other elite athletes, they want to maximize their potential. Harvard ranks with Stanford academically, and Blanks gives running a high priority.
Not to diss on Blanks (who is phenomenal btw), but Blanks wasn't running times anywhere near what the twins are running as a freshman. Check back on this thread in three years.
Hear me out. Nico Young has had a tremendous NCAA career. Numerous All American honors, all kinds of XC team titles, and fantastic PRs, but wasn’t that always going to be the case with Nico? One of the greatest HS runners of...
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