Judging by his attitude, stature, and body language, I simply don't think he will make a career out of running like Mottram did. I think he will either go duathlon, triathlon, or quit all together. I don't see that same future when I look at laros. He puts off positive vibes.
The closest thing here in the states to either of these kids is Colin salmon. He ran 146 high last year and shocked everybody. Then ran a 353 indoors at altitude, which is what Alan Webb ran in highschool. Let that sink in.
It would be a delightful pleasure to see such competition on the Netherlands team. Someone to join suffan Hasan, Femke bol, and this inaugural olympic dynasty of theirs.
Mind you, there is no MINIMAL age to compete in the Olympics. If you are too good for junior Olympics, join the big dogs. If you have a lemon, make lemonade. That's what running is all about. Back to lecture and practice now. Toodles
I'm curious as to why anyone would think Myers would transition to triathlon. He is in a stable training group with Jye Edwards (3:49 miler when healthy) and a number of other quality runners.
Based on Strava data Myers has huge upside as his overall mileage is still relatively low as he averages just over 60 miles per week.
He turns 18 next month and has an exciting future.
60 MPW. Dude I hate this. I've been building to 100 for like 6 years with like 2 injuries and I am not close to as good. No hate to either of them, I hope they go on to break record, oly golds etc. They both seem super nice and not egotistical like some other younger stars I could think of.
60 MPW. Dude I hate this. I've been building to 100 for like 6 years with like 2 injuries and I am not close to as good. No hate to either of them, I hope they go on to break record, oly golds etc. They both seem super nice and not egotistical like some other younger stars I could think of.
That being said 60-65mpw is not that low for a miler. Sure you have outliers in the Norwegian system (95-110mpw in base) and then some pretty high mileage in base periods (OAC ~75-85mpw, Josh Kerr 75mpw, Cooper Teare Cole Hocker 70-80mpw). But it seems the median for all of this is probably 65-70mpw for a world-class miler if you include competition periods where the number goes down. This LA Grand Prix should be a great spot. Smaller than Pre field and likely better conditions. He also should be the 5th or 6th best guy as opposed to Pre where the competition is very tough.
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Currently Kessler is the best of the three, having run 3:48. Laros had a somewhat mid showing in Monaco 5k road race (13:26) and Myers ran 3:52
Agree. We also need to note than Hobbs is the oldest of the 3. Some ppl can't run well indoors, Hobbs isn't one of them. I anticipate Hobbs racing alot, seeing though he doesn't work or go to school and he's not married w children.
so the BYU athletes are the best? /s
Disagree with you re Myers though. You have some very interesting hot takes.
Now, both of these young whipper snappers we are about to discuss are foreigners. That means they are NOT American citizens and do NOT have American values.
Curious about this comment and why you regard it as a parameter of success?
Also, have you attended an event that Myers has been in and watched him,
The other general question, not to you, where does this duathlon, triathlon theory come from?
Agree. We also need to note than Hobbs is the oldest of the 3. Some ppl can't run well indoors, Hobbs isn't one of them. I anticipate Hobbs racing alot, seeing though he doesn't work or go to school and he's not married w children.
so the BYU athletes are the best? /s
Disagree with you re Myers though. You have some very interesting hot takes.
You bet your butt BYU are the best, not just physiologically, but morally as well.
If you want a PERFECT role model for your children, look no further than Connor mantz. I believe the reason why he wears alphaflys instead of vaporflys is because is because he runs up on his toes like all of us should. Instead, most of us are overweight heelstrikers. Feel free to report me if you want, but I have my all my kids who run the 800 and up to do weigh ins, and nobody over 150lbs makes the cut for being entered in any track or xc race. I mean, they can practice with us, but they can't race with us.
Back to Hobbs, I'm still still hear some scientific proof that Mike Smith was the deciding factor in him skipping college and going pro. I'm not saying Mike didn't feel that way, I'm saying there more to the dynamic than that. Smith is awesome and it's sad that everytime I've tried explaining to the LRC community why he has a Boston Irish accent somebody gets offended.
Mike Smith is an EMPLOYEE of northern Arizona University. As a coach, he has to care about 2 things. 1- his teams development. 2. Helping each individual athlete reach their FULL potential. He has fulfilled both of these roles with nico young. That's why he entered him in THE 10 race. Sometimes it's hard to find certain athletes the right races in order for to push themselves as a runner. I currently have a 31:00 10k runner with the same issue (I recently ran 34:01 myself). While I'm not really down with nicos whole "I'm going pro anyways so my final year of eligibility at nau really doesn't matter" attitude, Mike has done his job. Any way that you look at it, Mike has done his job. If he only had nico running in the team meets and not pushing himself, then he would not have been doing his job. The entire sport of running is about reaching new heights. Mike has helped nico reach new heights.
Again, college is not for everyone. Noah lyles didn't go. Carmelo Anthony chose to go when he could have easily skipped, and it gave him a string foundation in his professional career. I feel that Hobbs recent world record in the road mile is very commendable. However, there are certain aspects of collegiate running that you can't experience when your on your own or with a pro group. College for most people only last 4 years, and I think in the long run Hobbs may regret forgoing the college experience.
Either way, coach Smith was not the final deciding factor, even considering Hobbs high ceiling level. That ceiling level would have been there either way, and it was still Kesslers own personal choice to omit any further schooling. Mind you, rock climbing is his passion anyways.
Now, both of these young whipper snappers we are about to discuss are foreigners. That means they are NOT American citizens and do NOT have American values.
Curious about this comment and why you regard it as a parameter of success?
Also, have you attended an event that Myers has been in and watched him,
The other general question, not to you, where does this duathlon, triathlon theory come from?
Yea the suggestion of Myers going to duathlon and triathlon is way out there in left field.
Lets see how he runs tomorrow in LA and PRE the following week. My understanding after that he is off to Europe for 3 months to escape the Canberra winter.
Curious about this comment and why you regard it as a parameter of success?
Also, have you attended an event that Myers has been in and watched him,
The other general question, not to you, where does this duathlon, triathlon theory come from?
Yea the suggestion of Myers going to duathlon and triathlon is way out there in left field.
Lets see how he runs tomorrow in LA and PRE the following week. My understanding after that he is off to Europe for 3 months to escape the Canberra winter.
I concur with you. I never suggested that he would transition to duathlons and triathlons. We all know cycling is dangerous. Lucas is proof of that.
On another note, it was intriguing to see Alan Webbs year long stint as a professional triathlete.
Now, both of these young whipper snappers we are about to discuss are foreigners. That means they are NOT American citizens and do NOT have American values.
Curious about this comment and why you regard it as a parameter of success?
Also, have you attended an event that Myers has been in and watched him,
The other general question, not to you, where does this duathlon, triathlon theory come from?
@the430miler. Just bumping this for a response to the first two lines, last one not directed at you.
For some reason asking these questions got 1 up and 3 down votes, go figure. Luv LRC
Curious about this comment and why you regard it as a parameter of success?
Also, have you attended an event that Myers has been in and watched him,
The other general question, not to you, where does this duathlon, triathlon theory come from?
@the430miler. Just bumping this for a response to the first two lines, last one not directed at you.
For some reason asking these questions got 1 up and 3 down votes, go figure. Luv LRC
Good evening.
I am in LA this weekend for the grand prix. Will also be in attendance at the Prefontaine next weekend. This is the 1st time I have seen Myers compete, but hopefully it will not be the last. As results showed, Myers ran with the big dogs and did not disappoint. He appeared to be extremely relaxed and confident, which is crucial for competing at this level, at his age.
What I was referring to when I mentioned amerucan values was not political in nature, but more philosophical wise in regards to training and having a pro running career. Mind you, one of tge aspects that sets Australia (and new Zealand) apart from America and many other nations that have elite runners is their lack of high altitude. Down under is all low country, and no high country exists. Aussies typically make up for this by doing even more mileage, at an even faster pace, on the desert outback trail. KY ROBINSON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. The ncaa is starting to get more and more aussies and kiwis each year, and you can tell by their bodies that they run higher mileage. Just look at KY Robinsons wrists and ankles; nobody else in the ncaa has an undisputed visual appearance of someone who runs high mileage. He keeps his arms a tad high for my tastes, but I think that just comes along with the territory of doing so many junk miles in the outback.
Sydney is one of the cleanest and most highly educated cities in the world. As is Melbourne. These factors are definstely beneficial to aussie runners. Since they are a lower populated nation, Their sense of pride and identity is more focus on medaling at the Olympics once they get there. Americans seem to be more focused on just beating fellow countrymen and trying to get the standard and, unequivocally, an NIL deal.
I take every bit of these cultural differences into deep consideration when I'm recruiting foreign runners, as recruiting them always comes with a slightly different social "price tag" as when I'm recruiting domestic runners to come to san antonio.
Lastly, I am also baffled by that other posters duathlon and triathlon comments. None of us even have any carnal knowledge of him having any background in swimming or cycling. Atleast I don't. Again, Lukas had a similar build and slightly slower prs at a similar age; and I would hate to see Cameron or Neils running career come to the same conclusion as Lukas did. Go ahead and break those records, but if breaking those records also means breaking their bones, then I would rather see them become chsmpions at multiple levels and not just a record breaker at the teenage level.
Thank again. Coach Dahl
-owner, teXXXas tanning salons llc
Coach and ornithology professor
A university in San Antonio
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@the430miler. Just bumping this for a response to the first two lines, last one not directed at you.
For some reason asking these questions got 1 up and 3 down votes, go figure. Luv LRC
Good evening.
I am in LA this weekend for the grand prix. Will also be in attendance at the Prefontaine next weekend. This is the 1st time I have seen Myers compete, but hopefully it will not be the last. As results showed, Myers ran with the big dogs and did not disappoint. He appeared to be extremely relaxed and confident, which is crucial for competing at this level, at his age.
What I was referring to when I mentioned amerucan values was not political in nature, but more philosophical wise in regards to training and having a pro running career. Mind you, one of tge aspects that sets Australia (and new Zealand) apart from America and many other nations that have elite runners is their lack of high altitude. Down under is all low country, and no high country exists. Aussies typically make up for this by doing even more mileage, at an even faster pace, on the desert outback trail. KY ROBINSON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. The ncaa is starting to get more and more aussies and kiwis each year, and you can tell by their bodies that they run higher mileage. Just look at KY Robinsons wrists and ankles; nobody else in the ncaa has an undisputed visual appearance of someone who runs high mileage. He keeps his arms a tad high for my tastes, but I think that just comes along with the territory of doing so many junk miles in the outback.
Sydney is one of the cleanest and most highly educated cities in the world. As is Melbourne. These factors are definstely beneficial to aussie runners. Since they are a lower populated nation, Their sense of pride and identity is more focus on medaling at the Olympics once they get there. Americans seem to be more focused on just beating fellow countrymen and trying to get the standard and, unequivocally, an NIL deal.
I take every bit of these cultural differences into deep consideration when I'm recruiting foreign runners, as recruiting them always comes with a slightly different social "price tag" as when I'm recruiting domestic runners to come to san antonio.
Lastly, I am also baffled by that other posters duathlon and triathlon comments. None of us even have any carnal knowledge of him having any background in swimming or cycling. Atleast I don't. Again, Lukas had a similar build and slightly slower prs at a similar age; and I would hate to see Cameron or Neils running career come to the same conclusion as Lukas did. Go ahead and break those records, but if breaking those records also means breaking their bones, then I would rather see them become chsmpions at multiple levels and not just a record breaker at the teenage level.
Thank again. Coach Dahl
-owner, teXXXas tanning salons llc
Coach and ornithology professor
A university in San Antonio
Ky Robinson is from Brisbane. Australians train at Altitude either at Falls Creek or Charlotte's Pass (1800m). No one trains in the outback.....I'm curious to your views. Cameron Myers is from Canberra, the capital. Hopefully you knew that.
He may run sub 3:50 next week for the mile at still 17.
I'm betting on 350 flat. The 350 flat still proves he's in Olympic 1500 qualifying shape. That's the benefit of running the full mile, it makes the 1500 seem short.
I'm betting on 350 flat. The 350 flat still proves he's in Olympic 1500 qualifying shape. That's the benefit of running the full mile, it makes the 1500 seem short.
Have a nice weekend.
^^^this guy is a psycho troll that stalked Leachman before he was banned. And now he has wormed back onto the board.
I am in LA this weekend for the grand prix. Will also be in attendance at the Prefontaine next weekend. This is the 1st time I have seen Myers compete, but hopefully it will not be the last. As results showed, Myers ran with the big dogs and did not disappoint. He appeared to be extremely relaxed and confident, which is crucial for competing at this level, at his age.
What I was referring to when I mentioned amerucan values was not political in nature, but more philosophical wise in regards to training and having a pro running career. Mind you, one of tge aspects that sets Australia (and new Zealand) apart from America and many other nations that have elite runners is their lack of high altitude. Down under is all low country, and no high country exists. Aussies typically make up for this by doing even more mileage, at an even faster pace, on the desert outback trail. KY ROBINSON IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. The ncaa is starting to get more and more aussies and kiwis each year, and you can tell by their bodies that they run higher mileage. Just look at KY Robinsons wrists and ankles; nobody else in the ncaa has an undisputed visual appearance of someone who runs high mileage. He keeps his arms a tad high for my tastes, but I think that just comes along with the territory of doing so many junk miles in the outback.
Sydney is one of the cleanest and most highly educated cities in the world. As is Melbourne. These factors are definstely beneficial to aussie runners. Since they are a lower populated nation, Their sense of pride and identity is more focus on medaling at the Olympics once they get there. Americans seem to be more focused on just beating fellow countrymen and trying to get the standard and, unequivocally, an NIL deal.
I take every bit of these cultural differences into deep consideration when I'm recruiting foreign runners, as recruiting them always comes with a slightly different social "price tag" as when I'm recruiting domestic runners to come to san antonio.
Lastly, I am also baffled by that other posters duathlon and triathlon comments. None of us even have any carnal knowledge of him having any background in swimming or cycling. Atleast I don't. Again, Lukas had a similar build and slightly slower prs at a similar age; and I would hate to see Cameron or Neils running career come to the same conclusion as Lukas did. Go ahead and break those records, but if breaking those records also means breaking their bones, then I would rather see them become chsmpions at multiple levels and not just a record breaker at the teenage level.
Thank again. Coach Dahl
-owner, teXXXas tanning salons llc
Coach and ornithology professor
A university in San Antonio
Ky Robinson is from Brisbane. Australians train at Altitude either at Falls Creek or Charlotte's Pass (1800m). No one trains in the outback.....I'm curious to your views. Cameron Myers is from Canberra, the capital. Hopefully you knew that.
He may run sub 3:50 next week for the mile at still 17.
Yes, my questions were to prove he has no idea.
He 'heard about the outback', jeepers, 80% of Aussies live in the 5 big cities, mainly Sydney, Melbourne , Brisbane and as you say they altitude train in the Aussie Alps.
This guy looks at wrists and ankles to determine mileage yet elsewhere in thread it is stated that Myers only does 100km/wk, yet he claims to be a scout.
Also, the Aussie 'values' (not really, but using his vernacular), is the reason that they punch above their weight at OG etc, we have 1/16th of the population, no collegiate system etc, further from Europe athletics yet keep producing in all sports, from Athletics to Cricket, football, rugby etc. Their are few more competitive nationalities around
I'm betting on 350 flat. The 350 flat still proves he's in Olympic 1500 qualifying shape. That's the benefit of running the full mile, it makes the 1500 seem short.
Have a nice weekend.
Such insight from this scout
Values, ankles and wrists determining mileage and 1610m is more than 1500m. Wow
I'm betting on 350 flat. The 350 flat still proves he's in Olympic 1500 qualifying shape. That's the benefit of running the full mile, it makes the 1500 seem short.
Have a nice weekend.
Such insight from this scout
Values, ankles and wrists determining mileage and 1610m is more than 1500m. Wow
...not to mention all of us running around in the Simpson Desert. LoL
Myers is exceptionally good, but Laros is on another level, IMO. Look at his age 18 PRs. Crazy fast. Of course, they are 2yrs/2mos aprt. Still time for Meyers.
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