Patton said we fought the Wrong Enemy and that in 50 years, USA would have corruption and Degeneracy, Wether or not you think we fought the wrong enemy or not it is clear Corruption and Degeneracy have skyrocketed in the USA
TLDR: Without US involvement, there would have been no World War II. No US lives lost. No UK lives lost. No French lives lost. No Japanese lives lost. No bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No firebombing of Dresden. No Battle of Britain. Perhaps no USSR lives lost. No Pearl Harbor. Poland would have become a colony of Germany rather than the USSR.
I've read some stupid things on this board... but this really stands out.
He’s full of bad takes. He recently predicted Grant Fisher will finish 5th in the 5K at this summer’s US championships!
Germany would rule the world and they would have exterminated billions of people.
Germany Deutsche Reich era and Germany today is and was the size of Minnesota & Wisconsin combined. Exterminate billions? You are not an honest person.
Think about how many lives and how much money wouldve been saved if the USA entered WWII.
Your title is backwards, the US did enter WWII.
Had the US not entered, Germany most likely would have won and had time to establish themselves in Europe industrially and militarily.
If then later they set their sites on South and North America, it would have been much harder to eliminate them then.
A side benefit was the end of WW2 established the US as the global power, which is a daily benefit to our citizens and businesses.
You are dishonest. I need to repeat, Germany in 1930's before 1934 was the size of Minnesota & Wisconsin. Germany today is the size of MN & WI. Take over North & South America? I know you did not game this out in a U.S. Army war college class. Who told you this nonsense?
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
How can we take you seriously when you say something like this? The US entered WWII in 1941.
I visit these threads just to have my views confirmed about the extent of historical ignorance here.
The US would have only beat up Japan. Germany would have beat up England, but the Russians would have eventually beat up Germany.
The US, England and France wouldn't have part Germany afterwards, the Russians would control it all, as the US controls Japan today. So mostly the same.
People think you can alter a "timeline" but events aren't like that. It's like poking a stick into a flowing river. The river will just go around the stick and end up exactly where it would have gone.
Without the US involvement in the war, it would have probably dragged on for years with the USSR and Germany bleeding each other to death. Without the US intervention, the Nazis would have been able to better support its forces in Russia and the major battles in Leningrad and Stalingrad would have gone on for years.
Hitler did send U Boats to the East Coast and attacked shipping lanes in the Gulf of Mexico. The Nazis did not have enough naval power to be able to cross the Atlantic and launch a full scale invasion of the US. But if they were successful in their conquest of Western Europe, an attack on the US would have been certain.
As for the economics, WWII helped the US emerge from the Great Depression and set the stage for one of the most prosperous decades in US history. The GI bill did more to establish the middle class in the US by sending millions to college who would have never been able to go but for the bill. It also set the stage for the US to be a world leader in industrial production, something that would later get pissed away by neoliberal globalization.
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
I don’t understand the downvotes. Precious Roy’s belief that the U.S. entering the war prevented the battle of Stalingrad and the siege of Leningrad from extending indefinitely, is historically impossible. It’s was also impossible to invade a country over the Atlantic. Would the ships drop anchor a couple of miles out, and shuttle troops back and forth in motor boats? What about supply lines?
The war was already lost for Germany by the time the U.S. entered in June of 1944, and the Nazis surrendered at Stalingrad in January of 1943 and Leningrad was liberated in January 1944.
The Germans could never have invaded the U.S. They would have had no bombers to attack our bases and at most, they would have had about a thousand carrier based fighters at compared to tens of thousands of American planes. They also wouldn’t have had the necessary landing craft. The couldn’t invade England over the English Channel and you believe they could attack the U.S. over the Atlantic Ocean?
I don’t understand the downvotes. Precious Roy’s belief that the U.S. entering the war prevented the battle of Stalingrad and the siege of Leningrad from extending indefinitely, is historically impossible. It’s was also impossible to invade a country over the Atlantic. Would the ships drop anchor a couple of miles out, and shuttle troops back and forth in motor boats? What about supply lines?
For the USSR war part, you are ignoring the war in Africa, the invasion of Italy, and the collapse of Italy/ take over by Germany that prevented Germany from having enough oil and moved resources from the eastern front.
In addition, the US was supplying war materials to the USSR via lend-lease. Complete neutrality would have stopped this, hurting the USSR ability to defend Stalingrad
How can we take you seriously when you say something like this? The US entered WWII in 1941.
I visit these threads just to have my views confirmed about the extent of historical ignorance here.
1941 was when the U.S. began military action against Japan. They didn’t set foot in Europe until D-Day in 1944. How did the U.S. affect the outcomes in Stalingrad in 1942/43 and the siege of Leningrad?
Starting after the end of 1942, the Soviets no longer lost any battles to the Germans. Stalin was wanted an invasion of occupied France but that was only because he wanted some other countries to have some skin in the conflict.
I visit these threads just to have my views confirmed about the extent of historical ignorance here.
1941 was when the U.S. began military action against Japan. They didn’t set foot in Europe until D-Day in 1944. How did the U.S. affect the outcomes in Stalingrad in 1942/43 and the siege of Leningrad?
Starting after the end of 1942, the Soviets no longer lost any battles to the Germans. Stalin was wanted an invasion of occupied France but that was only because he wanted some other countries to have some skin in the conflict.
The United States fought the Nazis I'm north Africa starting in 1942. They invaded Italy in 1943. My previous post talks about how it drew some attention and material from the nazis, and prevented them from acquiring more oil.
The US would have only beat up Japan. Germany would have beat up England, but the Russians would have eventually beat up Germany.
The US, England and France wouldn't have part Germany afterwards, the Russians would control it all, as the US controls Japan today. So mostly the same.
People think you can alter a "timeline" but events aren't like that. It's like poking a stick into a flowing river. The river will just go around the stick and end up exactly where it would have gone.
What? The Germans could not get across the English Channel and that was part of the reason they invaded Russia. We have some bases in Japan but in no way do we control their government or economy.
The US would have only beat up Japan. Germany would have beat up England, but the Russians would have eventually beat up Germany.
The US, England and France wouldn't have part Germany afterwards, the Russians would control it all, as the US controls Japan today. So mostly the same.
People think you can alter a "timeline" but events aren't like that. It's like poking a stick into a flowing river. The river will just go around the stick and end up exactly where it would have gone.
What? The Germans could not get across the English Channel and that was part of the reason they invaded Russia. We have some bases in Japan but in no way do we control their government or economy.
Japan has not had a full military since the end of WW2. Technically it is illegal for them to have one, but they do have a small defense force.
The US is their defense force. Are you implying that has no effect on their government?
The US would have only beat up Japan. Germany would have beat up England, but the Russians would have eventually beat up Germany.
The US, England and France wouldn't have part Germany afterwards, the Russians would control it all, as the US controls Japan today. So mostly the same.
People think you can alter a "timeline" but events aren't like that. It's like poking a stick into a flowing river. The river will just go around the stick and end up exactly where it would have gone.
What? The Germans could not get across the English Channel and that was part of the reason they invaded Russia. We have some bases in Japan but in no way do we control their government or economy.
What? German airplanes repeatedly crossed the channel to bomb the snot out of the British. Part of the reason they failed (barely) to cripple the RAF was US assistance.
No US assistance, RAF eliminated, Luftwaffe air superiority neutralizes British Navy, British marginalized in war.
Germans invaded Russia because they needed fuel. The Caspian sea is the oil products Mecca utopia of the entire world, since ancient times.
US ordered Japan onto its post-war political/economic path. It "doesn't control" Japan in exactly the same way the USSR "didn't control" East Germany, Poland, etc.
I visit these threads just to have my views confirmed about the extent of historical ignorance here.
1941 was when the U.S. began military action against Japan. They didn’t set foot in Europe until D-Day in 1944. How did the U.S. affect the outcomes in Stalingrad in 1942/43 and the siege of Leningrad?
Starting after the end of 1942, the Soviets no longer lost any battles to the Germans. Stalin was wanted an invasion of occupied France but that was only because he wanted some other countries to have some skin in the conflict.
The US was supplying the Allied Powers as early as 1940.
Pointing to D-Day as the beginning of US influence on military outcomes in WWII is either disingenuous or ignorant.