Doubt much will change in the next 5 years or ever. Look at the marathon, cross country, senior, U20, month after month, year after year. It's like saying its the end of an era for tall people dominating basketball because a couple amazing short dudes had their time.
I'm not surprised to find this on this forum, after one race, because of one person. Reminds me of the Christophe Lemaitre years on these forums full of threads about him, now what ?
Junior events are a very poor metric for gauging East African dominance though.
Faith Kipyegon, Ezeliel Kemboi, Conseslus, Beateice Chenet, Joshua Chetegei, Gidey, et al would disagree.
African performances explode as soon as EPO comes on the market, they dominate for 30 years, then markedly decline as soon as they are properly tested for said drug.
Hmm, it's a tricky one.
Kenya on the men's side was the most successful distance nation before EPO since 1965. (for sure not always during this period)
African performances explode as soon as EPO comes on the market, they dominate for 30 years, then markedly decline as soon as they are properly tested for said drug.
Hmm, it's a tricky one.
There were like 30 different guys that ran sub 2:05 last year. Some marked decline.
East africans are only becoming more dominant on the womens side. Look at the women's 2 mile at Millrose where U20's Eisa and Wudu crushed Muir, Monson (while Monson ran an AR).
The women's races aren't particularly interesting unless there are at least 5 or 6 Ethiopians. I was looking at the starting line at that Wanamaker Mile yesterday and wondering if it would count as an official race.
Whites are the most talented middle and long distance runners. There's just some sketchy stuff going on in East Africa which has inhibited an equal playing field across the world.
Whites are the most talented middle and long distance runners. There's just some sketchy stuff going on in East Africa which has inhibited an equal playing field across the world.
Yes. The men's 1500 and only the men's 1500 is the only valid metric.
What always happens with these discussions. Never mind that the World Rankings at 800, Steeple, 5,000, 10,000 and Marathon show little to none of this decline. It’s a pretty tiresome discussion. It is a good thing that Western runners are running much faster at the 1500-HM. Who spins this as a negative?
Yes. The men's 1500 and only the men's 1500 is the only valid metric.
What always happens with these discussions. Never mind that the World Rankings at 800, Steeple, 5,000, 10,000 and Marathon show little to none of this decline. It’s a pretty tiresome discussion. It is a good thing that Western runners are running much faster at the 1500-HM. Who spins this as a negative?
How can East African dominate the 800m and the 5000m and leave the 1500m for the western?
The mile is an erroneous "tradition" spread among the western started in England and prolonged in USA (since USA is the traditional daughter of England).
The base idea is the following: who is good in the mile can contrôle everything else because he has the "speed".
What always happens with these discussions. Never mind that the World Rankings at 800, Steeple, 5,000, 10,000 and Marathon show little to none of this decline. It’s a pretty tiresome discussion. It is a good thing that Western runners are running much faster at the 1500-HM. Who spins this as a negative?
How can East African dominate the 800m and the 5000m and leave the 1500m for the western?
The mile is an erroneous "tradition" spread among the western started in England and prolonged in USA (since USA is the traditional daughter of England).
The base idea is the following: who is good in the mile can contrôle everything else because he has the "speed".
The only thing that has happened is Caucasian are utilising way more resources, sus George Mills talking about the Norwegian method, take an athlete like teffera and put him in mills situation and his running 3:28. Caucasian are just training smarter and have more access to labs ect
African performances explode as soon as EPO comes on the market, they dominate for 30 years, then markedly decline as soon as they are properly tested for said drug.
Hmm, it's a tricky one.
Kenya on the men's side was the most successful distance nation before EPO since 1965. (for sure not always during this period)
What always happens with these discussions. Never mind that the World Rankings at 800, Steeple, 5,000, 10,000 and Marathon show little to none of this decline. It’s a pretty tiresome discussion. It is a good thing that Western runners are running much faster at the 1500-HM. Who spins this as a negative?
How can East African dominate the 800m and the 5000m and leave the 1500m for the western?
The mile is an erroneous "tradition" spread among the western started in England and prolonged in USA (since USA is the traditional daughter of England).
The base idea is the following: who is good in the mile can contrôle everything else because he has the "speed".
Check the history of the event. EA i.e Kenya only has 6 golds in the history of the event and a I think 8 World titles, incidentally all won by Kenyans (this is off the top of my head, youre welcome to correct me)
(5 of which have been won by Kipyegon lol)
The 1500m has never been an EA thing for a weird reason.
We have better history with the 800m and the longer distances.
We are witnessing great performance coming from non East Africans especially at the mile distance look at Kerr beating Farah record with Ease and with no shady track record within the next 5 years the landscape will change hugely
Americans are obsessed with the mile; almost everyone else, including Africans, is not. I am afraid you'll have to look for something else to make your silly little argument.
Especially because we’re finding out their all dopers
Exactly, there was never any conclusive evidence on why they dominate, look at Kerr his a big powerful athlete don’t need to be a weak stick figure to run, it’s starting off with the 1500, but we will see more great performances coming in the 5000 and 10000 soon! Excited for the future of running
If all East African's are dopers than than that should apply to all profesional runners. How do you know with his big improvement that Kerr isnt doping?
We are witnessing great performance coming from non East Africans especially at the mile distance look at Kerr beating Farah record with Ease and with no shady track record within the next 5 years the landscape will change hugely
Americans are obsessed with the mile; almost everyone else, including Africans, is not. I am afraid you'll have to look for something else to make your silly little argument.
Most European are obsessed by the mile and at their center the Britannic (remember "first man to break 4 minutes mile". You get his name by googling this).
A full example is shown by Ingebrigsten family and their younger son.
A half explanation could be that generally they despise longer distances and know they don't have sufficient for them.
Americans are obsessed with the mile; almost everyone else, including Africans, is not. I am afraid you'll have to look for something else to make your silly little argument.
Most European are obsessed by the mile and at their center the Britannic (remember "first man to break 4 minutes mile". You get his name by googling this).
A full example is shown by Ingebrigsten family and their younger son.
A half explanation could be that generally they despise longer distances and know they don't have sufficient for them.
M800: -3 of top 5 born in East Africa (Arop fled Sudan as a toddler with his family and represents Canada)
M1500: -#5 and #6 ranked are Kenyan, #2-ranked Nuguse is first generation American to Ethiopian parents
M3KSt: -6 of top 7 are East Africans
M5000: -6 of the top 7 are East Africans after removing the provisionally suspended Mo Katir
M10000: -Top 8 are East African
M10K/HM Road Running -Top 26 Born in East Africa (Lobalu soon eligible to represent Switzerland)
Marathon: -Top 22 Born in East Africa (Bashir Abdi represents Belgium)
It is of course great to see outstanding gains from Western/Oceanic countries in the 1500 most noticeably and also the 800. It more shows a resurgence like in the 60s-80s (Ryun, Snell, H. Elliott, Coe, Cram, Ovett, P. Elliott, Scott, Spivey, Walker) than the end of dominance. And it's great the Norwegian method seems to be closing the gap (5K+) with athletes like Almgren and Jakob.
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Exactly, there was never any conclusive evidence on why they dominate, look at Kerr his a big powerful athlete don’t need to be a weak stick figure to run, it’s starting off with the 1500, but we will see more great performances coming in the 5000 and 10000 soon! Excited for the future of running
If all East African's are dopers than than that should apply to all profesional runners. How do you know with his big improvement that Kerr isnt doping?
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