CJ / Panning missed the team because of their shoes

Over Washed wrote:

faubsnot wrote:

Scott Fauble has run nowhere near what he ran in Hoka 's which he deemed not super enough in Nike's.

So with very little fatigue on his legs and such great current fitness, where is he going to race in the next couple weeks?

Peg wrote:

The shoe did not force Panning to gamble and run outside his fitness. Admirable, yes. But there is no miracles in distance running, and although I applaud him for his efforts, that was his decision, nothing to do with footwear.

Grandpa Has a Story to Tell wrote:

You children might not know this, but people used to run pretty fast without all this here fancy carbon fibers and pebaxes. Back in my day, quite a few people ran faster than 2:08 without those newfangled materials. We used to run over one hundred miles a week on roads with shoes that weren't even as cushy as your track spikes! People didn't get as many stress fractures back then either. Maybe because we drank milk and ate vegetables? I don't know.

Now go put your $275 super shoes on and do your triple thresholds or whatever y'all call running fast these days.

wejo wrote:

Is there some scientific reason not to use a Pebax foam? It seems like that is the direction everyone is going and there doesn't seem to be anything from stopping all the brands from using it.

So what am I missing? Clearly Brooks invests a ton into the sport so at this point could there be a scientific reason not to use pebax?

Dryer wrote:

Over Washed wrote:

So with very little fatigue on his legs and such great current fitness, where is he going to race in the next couple weeks?

Probably Boston.

Over Washed wrote:

His pay days are coming to a quick ending. He dnf’d in his last 2 days. He needs to prove that he is not washed.

bangbang wrote:

There is this carbon soled shoe which has featured on roadtrailrun, it has no foam at all, its just a carbon trampoline suspended within a frame, like tennis racket strings. IT's well within the WA rules in terms of 40mm. As there is no foam the shoe never compresses or wears out, you can replace the upper and outsole. This is the future but no company has bought into the idea because it is too sustainable.

bugattiaron wrote:

Brooks is claiming that in their labs, the nitro EVA they're using performed better than pebax, but I can tell you that's 100% a lie. They're just telling that to their reps for marketing purposes.

rojo wrote:

bugattiaron wrote:

Brooks is claiming that in their labs, the nitro EVA they're using performed better than pebax, but I can tell you that's 100% a lie. They're just telling that to their reps for marketing purposes.

Ok. So where is your proof? If you can tell us it's 100% a lie, then show us the proof.

I"m open to the idea that something hard could be better than pebax.

I'm also not assuming this shoe is a piece of a junk. CJ did very well in them and they cost $250. Now could there be another shoe that 11 seconds better?

Grandpa Has a Story to Tell wrote:

You children might not know this, but people used to run pretty fast without all this here fancy carbon fibers and pebaxes. Back in my day, quite a few people ran faster than 2:08 without those newfangled materials. We used to run over one hundred miles a week on roads with shoes that weren't even as cushy as your track spikes! People didn't get as many stress fractures back then either. Maybe because we drank milk and ate vegetables? I don't know.

Now go put your $275 super shoes on and do your triple thresholds or whatever y'all call running fast these days.

rojo wrote:

bugattiaron wrote:

Brooks is claiming that in their labs, the nitro EVA they're using performed better than pebax, but I can tell you that's 100% a lie. They're just telling that to their reps for marketing purposes.

Ok. So where is your proof? If you can tell us it's 100% a lie, then show us the proof.

I"m open to the idea that something hard could be better than pebax.

I'm also not assuming this shoe is a piece of a junk. CJ did very well in them and they cost $250. Now could there be another shoe that 11 seconds better?

Grandpa Has a Story to Tell wrote:

You children might not know this, but people used to run pretty fast without all this here fancy carbon fibers and pebaxes. Back in my day, quite a few people ran faster than 2:08 without those newfangled materials. We used to run over one hundred miles a week on roads with shoes that weren't even as cushy as your track spikes! People didn't get as many stress fractures back then either. Maybe because we drank milk and ate vegetables? I don't know.

Now go put your $275 super shoes on and do your triple thresholds or whatever y'all call running fast these days.

TheSpecialAthlete wrote:

Panning didn't miss team because of the shoes he missed the team cause went out so hard and lead the majority of the race in the way that he did. He even says in the interview afterwards that he got a bit too antsy. He ran a great race but he didn't fall back because of the shoes