Google not your strongest suit stat man? He was 51. Yes and Theo got a 13 second pb but pleebs on this forum think the track is legitimate!! Boing boing
I think now with these indoor short track records we have to differentiate and acknowledge that running on these indoor 200 meter tracks is apparently significantly advantageous compared to running outside on a 400 meter track with wind and other less than clement conditions and that is why it is good that World Athletics has made the distinction between short track and outdoors and this is the same as F.I.N.A. in swimming which differentiates short course and long course records in the pool with the advantage going to the short 25 meter pool compared to the long 50 meter pool because in the short 25 meter pool swimmers get a tremendous advantage from pushing off the wall every 25 meters and all the records reflect this in the short course pool.
Shame Athletics New Zealand don’t have this level of common sense. They have given Boing Boing Beamish the national record.
This thread has almost shocked me. I have followed this sport for decades but I confess to not realizing that the NZ record was only 13:10. (And now only 13:04.)
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
But how did NZ 5000m stagnate for so long? Wasn't it 13:13 in the 70s?
This thread has almost shocked me. I have followed this sport for decades but I confess to not realizing that the NZ record was only 13:10. (And now only 13:04.)
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
But how did NZ 5000m stagnate for so long? Wasn't it 13:13 in the 70s?
This thread has almost shocked me. I have followed this sport for decades but I confess to not realizing that the NZ record was only 13:10. (And now only 13:04.)
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
But how did NZ 5000m stagnate for so long? Wasn't it 13:13 in the 70s?
You are unaware of what is behind most improvement everywhere else.
This thread has almost shocked me. I have followed this sport for decades but I confess to not realizing that the NZ record was only 13:10. (And now only 13:04.)
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
But how did NZ 5000m stagnate for so long? Wasn't it 13:13 in the 70s?
You are unaware of what is behind most improvement everywhere else.
Moorcroft ran 13:00 42 years ago. New Zealanders are just hindered by all the inbreeding. You are a perfect example of this.
You are unaware of what is behind most improvement everywhere else.
Moorcroft ran 13:00 42 years ago. New Zealanders are just hindered by all the inbreeding. You are a perfect example of this.
In New Zealand track and field just is not popular at all compared to the number one sport, Rugby. Standards seem to have fallen in recent years as well. The feared All Blacks of the running world in the 60s and 70s seem to have faded away and not been replaced.
Now N.Z. have Tanner, Beamish, McDonald and a few others but the depth is not there. In New Zealand, life is very expensive and running professionally is not a career option for most. In addition I don't think Athletics New Zealand has very deep pockets.
Moorcroft ran 13:00 42 years ago. New Zealanders are just hindered by all the inbreeding. You are a perfect example of this.
In New Zealand track and field just is not popular at all compared to the number one sport, Rugby. Standards seem to have fallen in recent years as well. The feared All Blacks of the running world in the 60s and 70s seem to have faded away and not been replaced.
Now N.Z. have Tanner, Beamish, McDonald and a few others but the depth is not there. In New Zealand, life is very expensive and running professionally is not a career option for most. In addition I don't think Athletics New Zealand has very deep pockets.
McDonald is an Aussie you prune! And no one fears the All Blacks. Fun fact though no kiwi has ever broken 46 seconds for 400m!
This thread has almost shocked me. I have followed this sport for decades but I confess to not realizing that the NZ record was only 13:10. (And now only 13:04.)
I mean no disrespect to anyone.
But how did NZ 5000m stagnate for so long? Wasn't it 13:13 in the 70s?
the top athletes in nz went to triathlon.
Who are you referring to that became a top triathlete that could have run 13 flattish for the 5000? Of recent times Hayden Wilde is the only one I can think of but even for him I think that kind of time would be out of his reach.
Who are you referring to that became a top triathlete that could have run 13 flattish for the 5000? Of recent times Hayden Wilde is the only one I can think of but even for him I think that kind of time would be out of his reach.
Wilde couldn’t break 13.20 at boing boing Boston let alone on a real track
Moorcroft ran 13:00 42 years ago. New Zealanders are just hindered by all the inbreeding. You are a perfect example of this.
In New Zealand track and field just is not popular at all compared to the number one sport, Rugby. Standards seem to have fallen in recent years as well. The feared All Blacks of the running world in the 60s and 70s seem to have faded away and not been replaced.
Now N.Z. have Tanner, Beamish, McDonald and a few others but the depth is not there. In New Zealand, life is very expensive and running professionally is not a career option for most. In addition I don't think Athletics New Zealand has very deep pockets.
Rugby has always been more popular in New Zealand than athletics by a good margin. It was true in Lydiard's heyday as much as now so I don't believe you can explain the decline on rugby. It goes beyond that.
There's the matter of remoteness. There are not loads of races there with the kind of high level competition there that develops top level performances. Think about the KIwis who have gotten to international class. They've nearly all left the country, mostly for the US and our collegiate system. The only Kiwi runner who's made an Olympic team in this century that I can think of who stayed in New Zealand is Hamish Carson., though I won't be surprised if there are one or two I'm forgetting.
And there's something Gordon Pirie said after he'd moved to New Zealand once his international career was done that is sort of in line with your comment about Rugby. He said that there were so many wonderful outdoorsy kind of things to do in New Zealand because of the scenery and terrain that if he'd been born there he might well have never become a runner and done some of these other things instead.
In New Zealand track and field just is not popular at all compared to the number one sport, Rugby. Standards seem to have fallen in recent years as well. The feared All Blacks of the running world in the 60s and 70s seem to have faded away and not been replaced.
Now N.Z. have Tanner, Beamish, McDonald and a few others but the depth is not there. In New Zealand, life is very expensive and running professionally is not a career option for most. In addition I don't think Athletics New Zealand has very deep pockets.
Rugby has always been more popular in New Zealand than athletics by a good margin. It was true in Lydiard's heyday as much as now so I don't believe you can explain the decline on rugby. It goes beyond that.
There's the matter of remoteness. There are not loads of races there with the kind of high level competition there that develops top level performances. Think about the KIwis who have gotten to international class. They've nearly all left the country, mostly for the US and our collegiate system. The only Kiwi runner who's made an Olympic team in this century that I can think of who stayed in New Zealand is Hamish Carson., though I won't be surprised if there are one or two I'm forgetting.
And there's something Gordon Pirie said after he'd moved to New Zealand once his international career was done that is sort of in line with your comment about Rugby. He said that there were so many wonderful outdoorsy kind of things to do in New Zealand because of the scenery and terrain that if he'd been born there he might well have never become a runner and done some of these other things instead.
Angie Petty Nicky Hamblin and Sam Tanner ( 1 semester) say hi as do the Robertsons.
In New Zealand track and field just is not popular at all compared to the number one sport, Rugby. Standards seem to have fallen in recent years as well. The feared All Blacks of the running world in the 60s and 70s seem to have faded away and not been replaced.
Now N.Z. have Tanner, Beamish, McDonald and a few others but the depth is not there. In New Zealand, life is very expensive and running professionally is not a career option for most. In addition I don't think Athletics New Zealand has very deep pockets.
McDonald is an Aussie you prune! And no one fears the All Blacks. Fun fact though no kiwi has ever broken 46 seconds for 400m!
Yup, stand corrected on that....I'll have to focus on Australian vowels the next time I watch one of those videos with McDonald (Coffee club) etc because they are very different to New Zealand vowels (why do Kiwis pronounce e like i? it's really hilarious!) The thing about Beamish is that he's so quiet and introverted that you rarely hear him speak on those videos and when he does say something it is usually very little.
Looking at the top participation Sports in New Zealand - basketball and netball are at the top although rugby is at the very top for boys and Athletics and track and field are way down at the lower end of participation in New Zealand. Scroll down to "participation"
Sport in New Zealand largely reflects the nation's colonial heritage, with some of the most popular sports being rugby union, rugby league, cricket, association football, basketball, horse racing and netball, which are primar...
Moorcroft ran 13:00 42 years ago. New Zealanders are just hindered by all the inbreeding. You are a perfect example of this.
3 questions to you if you (are British or come from another “large” country, and) think small countries are hindered by inbreeding:
1. Haven’t you heard of any good NZ runners throughout history?
2. Norway is somehow a little like New Zealand. (Population and so on). Do you think that country is hindered when it comes to running a good 5000m, f.ex in the World championships..?
3. Why aren’t f.ex the British 1500m specialists able to break their national 1500m record if they are so well bred? (Set by a 5/10000m specialist / and marathon runner, born in Somalia).
New Zealand prominence in athletics declined as doping became more prevalent in the sport.
I have thought the same thing. The only Kiwi runners I know of who were caught doping were based outside the country. Athletes from New Zealand and Japan are the two groups I'm inclined to believe are clean but I don't usually say that because it is just an opinion. And I do know there was a prominent track and field athlete decades ago who was strongly believed to be doping that got away with it and who stayed in New Zealand.
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