Zach Panning in 2:05 shape? He recently did his marathon simulator workout at 4:47 mile pace

I've run 19 miles at 4:50 pace on a hot sunny day, on a tough course at NYCM, thinking I was slow enough, but wasn't. Like I said, a marathon is easy until suddenly it becomes extremely difficult.

4:47 for 16 miles would have been easy for me, even on a hot day.

That’s slower than 16 miles at 4:47 pace

Even with three bridges 4:47 would have been easy for me.

Shouida coulda woulda, but ya didn’t

It's that last ten miles that really gets you. His only hope to get within two minutes of the marathon pace he ran within this workout (2:05) is that his legs are much fresher on race day, as Hansons do this tempo when the legs are trashed from heavy training. See Desi Linden's book, Choosing to Run.

Just look at it or read it?

I wasn't trying to run that fast. A marathon is 26 miles not 16. My foot was on the brakes for 16 miles, dragging my feet like Fred Flintstone. My HM split was 1:03:56 about a minute behind the leader (Ahmed Salah).. The winner (Orlando Pizzolato) was 1:05:40. He assessed the heat quotient correctly. I thought I did, but didn't.

There are no prizes for workouts. If you are truly elite, 4:47 pace for 16 miles is child's play. Have some perspective.

I agree with George that he will not run 2:05 or even 2:06 but not because he’s not capable but because he won’t need to to make the team.

So uoh admit that you never ran 16 miles at 4:47 pace

I didn't say anything about what he will run. I just said that his training "simulation" could be done by any of his competition without much effort. He's already an impressive runner. Quit making that workout into something it isn't.

Never did that. You are arguing with someone that agrees with you.

Kinda what I don’t love at MP workouts of this length as far as indicating much of anything. I’d get it more if it was done on hills/at altitude eg Obiri doing 25 miles at 2:25 pace in Boulder hills/altitude, Canova’s big workouts etc. We’ve seen enough guys who can run 57-59 minutes in the half and top out at 2:05-2:07. They would find running 16 miles at 2:02 or 2:03 pace very easy.

I wasn't arguing with you, I was correcting you for saying I said something that I didn't. No flags thrown. No penalty box.

You get it.

This will get deleted and I will get banned for a couple of days, but wasn't Malmo a runner for Athletics West? Yeah...

It's a fallacy here on these boards. Everyone assumes because Zach ran that fast that HE IS the one thinking he can run 2:05. He is likely not putting too much stock into this effort, but happy that it's faster than his last build up.. It's the people on this message board who blow up the result and put stupid words in his mouth.

Yes Craig Virgin and I were the original "Pioneers" of AW. We both quit after one year when we realized the coach didn't have a clue what he was doing. He was fired 18 months later when he had a full scale revolt on his hands and Beaverton finally realized their mistake and shipped him off to Korea.

This is likely the true picture. Elite runners do not put a lot of weight into individual workouts. They are just steps in part of the longer process.