Ngetich smashes 10k women's road record, 28:46!!!!

Because we love the 'sport'! But it's not very sporting if all the athletes participating are not on a level playing field.

What a farce. Wake me up when this crap is over. When this all stops happening.

Running is beautiful because it's beautiful to discover what your limit really is and what you're capable of achieving. That's what drives people to the sport. These lies destroy everything that makes running exciting.

how come everyone just keeps getting faster and faster suddenly? Kenyans, Ethiopians...

Americans...

When you look at high school and college times for American runners they haven't changed much. Yeah we've got Katelyn Tuohy now, but apart from her, most people who have turned pro have run times that are pretty standard and comparable with their peers from the past.

But now we're seeing absurdly fast pro results. We're just seeing unprecedented progress. Am I really to believe that shoes and training changed things that significantly that times get faster and faster?

Why was the 14:30 barrier in the women's 5K so hard to break, and now it's been shattered by 3 Americans (one serving a ban)?

Why for years did Jenny, who proved herself to be an extraordinary talent when she won an NCAA Title as a college freshman, not really improve much for years and years on her 1500 meter time, and others who never showed Jenny's level of potential can drop seconds off their 1500 time with ease?

Am I really supposed to believe this? Am I just supposed to cheer on athletes running these times that I don't believe at all, otherwise I am a toxic fan?

Times are way faster at every level. Not to say the pros aren’t doping but between the training and equipment upgrades there is plenty of time being chopped off.

People are pointing fingers and suggesting doping, but I think the more likely story here if the race isn't legit is a short course. All the finishers on the women's side ran a fair bit faster than would be expected, which IMO points more towards short course than doping

Those are some dope times pun intended.

Alicia monsons times were not faster than the typical elite runner at the high school level. nor in college either.

Yet she went from running 15:31 to 14:19 and I'm just supposed to believe that its because of training and equipment??

What we don’t need are foreign agents with doping pasts taking advantage of naive African athletes with nothing to lose.

I posted a video of Tirunesh winning the Great Manchester 10k 2017 this week.

She won by a huge margin, well over a minute on the next runner.

The time? 31:00. That was only six years ago. Crazy how times have fallen in that time.

Yes I'm aware the WR was significantly quicker than that, I just mean the new normal is insane

Its okay to call a spade a spade. Performances coming out of Kenya and Ethiopia have long been suspect. an 800 meter specialist with a checkered past set an astounding world record in the marathon recently. This performance is odd too.

As long as you aren't assuming one stance when it's odd performances coming out of Kenya and Ethiopia while taking another stance when it's a different (whiter) country, you should be able to do call it out. no grumbling over Kenyan athletes while fighting for Shelby's innocence for example.

Agnes Ng'etich is trained by a female coach.An old lady who started a training camp for just girls in Iten Kenya to protect them from male predator coaches.She has been training her since her primary school days.Basically she is the guardian and coach to the girls.I think Anyango is also based in the training group in Iten Kenya.

I absolutely hate having to be skeptical of great performances in sport (since pushing the boundaries of what’s thought to be achievable is a core aspect of what makes it so compelling), but someone whose best previous accolade is a single global XC bronze running 10k fifteen seconds faster than any other woman in history on any surface beggars belief to me.

looks like the site owners are now officially chicked. We'll be needing a new site with owners faster than the women's WR

Ok this is just wild. I saw 28:46 and was confused because it's not an impressive time unless you're a high schooler, then I realized it was a woman's time. What's the elevation like on that course? Was the 14:12 significantly downhill? Even if it was, that means she ran 14:34 significantly uphill first. I don't think I've ever jumped to the conclusion that someone was doping before, but this is just crazy.

If we're looking for upsides, this is worth like a 3:45 1500. Maybe we could see a sub-4 woman's mile one day.

Been saying this for years! Women times are weak af!
In my time in Africa, if you took even paracetamol (acetaminophen) for headache people would look at you as weak or taking shortcuts!
Now athletes got physios, take supplements, massages, shoes and social media changed everything!!
You can look up trainings from all over the work in a matter of minutes and compare yourself!
And there is a reason why it’s done in Valencia too! That place is just made for fast running!
There is a guy I know who used to run 33-34min on 10k, he went there first time he ran 31ish and now he is a 29 10k runner! Go figure!

Don't forget male pacers (or at least male companions). That (and supershoes) are the reason the woman 10k WR is faster than the track woman 10.000 m WR.

I mean, she ran 15:31 to win NCAAs as a junior. She won Millrose as a junior too in 8:45, which I think was top 3 NCAA all time when she ran it. She outkicked Rachel Schneider (and crushed Cranny/Purrier) for the win, who made it to Doha later that year in the 5k, and made the Olympics in 2021. I feel like there's a bit of historical revisionism going on.

And for the record, in the LetsRun article announcing OAC, Ritz said that Monson was gonna be one of the greatest Americans ever. Now, personally, I didn't think that was a crazy statement; Take the junior who's the Millrose 3k champ, NCAA 5k champ, 2nd place in XC, and ran 8:45 already, and put them at altitude with a great coach, a group built around them (women's side was built around her), and give them whatever resources they need. Sounds like a recipe for success to me. But I guess some people, like yourself, would see Ritz's statement and consider it almost delusional, because it's unbelievable that Monson could break an AR.

I think she's probably clean, but I am biased, because I'd kill myself if any of the top OAC athletes got popped.

What does Tuohy have to do with this? LOL