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Two small-time bettors called Bob Baffert a ‘cheat.’ Now he’s suing. Will this ever happen in running?

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    Awsi Dooger

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    2 years ago 01/13/2024 1:32am EST
    re: ThePonyz

    ThePonyz wrote:

    I met Bobby B at the DFW airport last year waiting for our bags.

    Extremely pleasant guy. Very nice to anyone coming up, shaking hands and trying to keep a lot profile.

    Same. I met him many years ago when we were both pumping gas not far from Santa Anita. Baffert could not have been nicer. He loved it when I told him how much money I made on Silver Charm in matchup wagers in 1997. Baffert beamed and said without Silver Charm, "I might not be here right now." He tapped the window and had his wife say hello to me, introducing me as a, "Silver Charm fan."

    Anyway, those two New Jersey guys deserve to be sued. It's been open season on Baffert since the Churchill Downs situation a few years ago. He is viciously attacked on every racing site and forum. Some is legit but it's also reached ridiculous level. Any Baffert horse death is felonious while all the other deaths in the industry are dismissed as normalcy. The two New Jersey creeps saw it unfolding this way and decided there was no risk via taking it further and pretending to have a video.

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    surferboy

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    2 years ago 01/13/2024 9:24pm EST
    re: rojo

    Pure lawfare by Baffert. He's a public figure (the "king of horse training"), and therefore must prove not only that the cheating accusations are false, but that they were made knowing that they are false. At best he'll get a cease and desist order out of a private settlement. And he might get a countersuit that actually costs him money (in addition to his legal fees).

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    2 years ago 01/13/2024 9:41pm EST
    re: I might be a lawyer

    I might be a lawyer wrote:

    rojo wrote:

    Link:wapo.st/47uUsTK

    I mean it's pretty well established that Baffert has cheated so I don't think in general these suits have much to stand on. Now I'm not sure about the specifics of the guy threatening to publish a video unless he got 2k. Is that allowed or necessarily criminal extortion?

    PS. If the shared link for the original Washpost article doesn't work (it should as you can share 10 a month), then try this link:

    If someone is a public figure, which any world-class athlete would likely be in this context, the standard to prove defamation is usually "actual malice," which is very hard to prove.

    It isn't enough to prove that the person who said these things were wrong. The plaintiff must establish that that defendant knew they were wrong or exhibited reckless disregard for their falsity. Long story short, these are very hard cases to win.

    Mere conjecture that someone is juiced isn't enough to prevail on a defamation claim.

    In many states, you can defend these claims with an anti-SLAPP law, and if you win, get attorneys fees. So no, I don't think these will become commonplace in running.

    People get confused a lot by this on this site.

    As you state, just stating an opinion that someone dopes is never going to hold up in court. It would have to be more like an intentional misstatement along the lines of "I personally witnessed [insert athlete's name] inject EPO in Boulder last summer".

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    2 years ago 01/14/2024 2:24am EST
    re: rojo

    rojo wrote:

    Two small-time bettors called Bob Baffert a ‘cheat.’ Now he’s suing. Will this ever happen in running?

    Who?

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    re: rojo

    Churchill Downs is a laughingstock. The best horses won't be running in the Derby this year thanks to their petty feud with Baffert. The owners of those horses have refused to temporarily switch trainers to cater to Churchill Downs. They released statements saying Bob Baffert is their trainer and they are sticking with him.

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