Sean Brosnan Starting a Group Soon

Why would a pro want to be coached by someone whose track record basically comes down to having had two sets of insanely talented siblings? and has never coached someone to an NCAA final

nothing against the guy, but he allegedly wasn't even coaching the NP kids last year, so his resume is basically nico, the older sahlman, and lex/leo'/younger sahlman's junior years...

He is starting a pro group in flag that will not be centered around one brand. The group will be announced in the next few months but there is talks of a facility opening in flag

Can't be much worse than the majority of US pro groups.

No question he hit the jackpot with those two families, but in all fairness he had other guys running fast. I also don't really understand this notion that a coach doesn't get some credit for coaching generational type talents. I think one could argue that it takes a supremely talented coach to keep them healthy and progressing. I might be way off on this, but I don't think those guys just roll out of the bed running sub 1:50, 4:00, 8:40, 13:35 without a coach that knows how to get them there.

Generational talent at the top, very deep supporting talent throughout, with extremely supportive parents (borderline crazy in some situations) and an enthusiastic coach that has a solid understanding of training. It was a perfect storm and Brosnan was a part of it. People take exception with his perceived overestimation of his role.

I think these are all really level-headed assessments of the situation. I do think it needs to be acknowledged that NP was essentially training like a top-30 D1 program, but competing against high schoolers. The times were truly impressive, but if they were 12-18 months older, and he was a college coach with freshman running 1:50, 4:00, 8:40 and 13:35 would we have the same perception of him? You could say they essentially got a head start on collegiate level training that isn't available to most prep runners.

That's very fair and the credit he deserves falls somewhere in between the two extremes. I think time will be a good indicator as to his impact on their early development. It will be very interesting to see how their track seasons develop, but would you agree that the Young twins underperformed in their first XC season under this new coach compared to to their HS times/successes? Could that be a reflection of the value that Brosnan added to their training/development? I don't know the answer to that with any certainty, but it's an interesting conversation.

Impossible to say or quantify the impact of the changes when a kid goes to college. Is it training, living conditions, other interests, school workload or any other of a million factors? A high school coach is responsible for their performance in high school and doesn't have much of an impact on their improvement or lack of improvement in college. They are only one factor in a massively changing time in their lives. Even if the high school coach would coach them in college, the other factors could change the outcome quite a bit.

With Mike Smith starting a family, running NAU, and already having a very large collective of pro's training with him, limited options for non-affiliated teams runners looking to break from a branded group, this is certainly a gap in the market this would fill. The only other options are really team boss, lower level teams, and one off situations. The real question is, can he pull together a training system pros find customized to their needs?

Connery for me, Clive

He gave him credit for his accomplishments.

This the truth.

Individual contracts are extremely difficult to come by and generally when you have one you already have a coach/situation you’re happy with. Brosnan might get a group of sub elites who don’t have contracts and then we will find out if he’s this world class coach or just another pretty good coach who lucked out with hella talented athletes.

I would expect a few people looking for a change might end up there, especially if it based in Flagstaff. Maybe someone like McGorty decides to head down there to as a break from BTC, or Beamish decides Dathan is too focused on Yared, Klecker, Monson and Obiri to care about his training. He's going to have to take advantage of people unhappy with groups and recruit from the college ranks.

Maybe he coaches Nico when he goes pro, building on what they've done in the past and and what he's learned at NAU, then uses that to bring in other athletes as well. No affiliation has it's benefits, but it isn't better than having a shoe company funnel people to you either. He should be developing relationships with agents if he isn't backed by a shoe company.

The best thing Brosnan can do is to try and get the old gang back. Imagine how easy the sales pitch would be for any company to sponsor a group that includes the Newbury Park athletes. Go to any running YouTube page and you'll see their most viewed videos are anything that features Newbury Park. A Newbury Park pro team where the focus is on the 2028 olympics with someone who documents the progress would go insane. Early-Tinman Elite era on steroids.

Kids are excited about those guys because of what they did in HS but the shine will disappear within a year.

The ONLY way Brosnan gets a "pro" group is by taking advantage of his wealth and real-estate properties (likely all given to him by his parents because he didn't have a real job until he was in his 30s).

I believe he owns property up in Big Bear. If he uses that or acquires a couple houses in Flagstaff, he can lure in sub-elites or decent college grads by offering them free housing or reduced cost housing in return for joining the Brosnan Elite group.

Even with that, it's uncertain how he'd be able to generate enough revenue for himself, his family, and the athletes on the team. If his UCLA hype video is any indication, Brosnan is not marketable at all and lacks charisma to anyone older than 15 years old.

This thread is absolutely ridiculous, when you consider like others I have managed to find multiple posts from this Emma West account, with comments from other Facebook users confirming it's a man, catfishing people . So why we are even having this conversation is absolutely ridiculous. It's a guy. Like please coach js, ghost, literally search Facebook yourselves you are making yourselves look really silly now.

The man is the epitome of delusional and arrogant. Unfortunately I've run into him several times and his very first words to me ever were (in a very negative tone) "do you know who I am" because I dared disagreed with him about a topic he considered himself an expert on but in reality, had very little knowledge in.