Just the opposite. People think women are as good as men. My son ran 51 and 1:53 this year in HS. Several of my friends don't believe that he could beat every woman in the world in the 800. They think I am making it up.
The weird thing is that you’re telling your friends that your son could beat every woman in the world in the 800.
Interesting. Do you guys have friends outside of the running community? When you have a state champ child, nonrunning friends ask all sorts of questions. Some think he will be an Olympian. Most think he got a full ride scholarship. Most ask how he compares to world class females. Some ask gow he compares to Usain Bolt.
Interesting. Do you guys have friends outside of the running community? When you have a state champ child, nonrunning friends ask all sorts of questions. Some think he will be an Olympian. Most think he got a full ride scholarship. Most ask how he compares to world class females. Some ask gow he compares to Usain Bolt.
:51 or 1:53 won State??
...I'd say both the Olympics and the full ride scholarship are out.
Interesting. Do you guys have friends outside of the running community? When you have a state champ child, nonrunning friends ask all sorts of questions. Some think he will be an Olympian. Most think he got a full ride scholarship. Most ask how he compares to world class females. Some ask gow he compares to Usain Bolt.
:51 or 1:53 won State??
...I'd say both the Olympics and the full ride scholarship are out.
Seriously. What state do you live in?
It sounds like you live vicariously through your son.
Why is this surprising? It is common knowledge that high-level female athletes will beat average males. If you took every male student at the University of Florida and lined them up against Parker Valby in a 5000m, I bet less than 1% of them would beat her. Does anyone seriously think that many guys can just go out and run 4:48 pace for 3.1 miles without doing serious training? Look at the Carlsbad 5K this year: in the open race, only three men out of 1794 runners ran sub-15:00, and only five out of 11 in the Elite race did. These are runners, not just average Joe off the street who thought he could beat a female track athlete.
Of course, this female would get beaten by 99+% of male collegiate track runners in her event.
you're missing the whole point that this level of delusion is what women face all the time
so you pointing out 'oh this isn't surprising everyone knows your average guy gets smoked by a d1 girl' just tries to invalidate her stated experience (backed up by data) that she gets this all the time
so you pointing out 'oh this isn't surprising everyone knows your average guy gets smoked by a d1 girl' just tries to invalidate her stated experience (backed up by data) that she gets this all the time
Yeah, I think there's a level of cockiness that sometimes has to be fought against. I shared the story on the previous page about friends at ND to illustrate that if some random dude is beating a D1 female runner, he's probably sitting on some real untapped potential in track. I'm sure everyone on here has seen that viral video called "The Reality of Biology" with clips from the 2019 mixed 4x4 at worlds where the dudes just blow by the Polish woman on the anchor leg but I think 99.99% of dudes in the comments of that video don't have the correct perspective on just how fast everyone in that video is running.
What's astonishing to me about these stories is that it keeps happening in running, where performance is entirely objective. Like, I get how a guy could think he would crush any woman in 1-on-1 basketball. Until you actually play that game, you don't really know how good people are, and women don't normally play against men. But running...I mean, the times are all out there in black and white. You should know that elite collegian females are better than 99% of males. And if you don't, it takes about 10 seconds on your phone to figure it out.
What's astonishing to me about these stories is that it keeps happening in running, where performance is entirely objective. Like, I get how a guy could think he would crush any woman in 1-on-1 basketball. Until you actually play that game, you don't really know how good people are, and women don't normally play against men. But running...I mean, the times are all out there in black and white. You should know that elite collegian females are better than 99% of males. And if you don't, it takes about 10 seconds on your phone to figure it out.
I think the problem is that 99% of people just don't have any point of reference for how fast track athletes are. Like your average athletic guy has no clue what a good time for any real track event so they could easily see women running and think "hey I'm the fastest in flag football league, I bet I'd be like Olympic level if I was a chick!" That's just the sad state of people's general awareness of track.
In college on my team, a D3 hotshot female freshman who now is an OTQ for the marathon was challenged by a housemate of the junior track distance dudes. He was an out of shape once high 4:40s 1600 guy I think who hadn’t run track since freshman year (if he even ran on the team at all). We were all rooting for him to get humbled because he was a tool. But I think with a couple weeks prep with both slightly above 5 after he sat on her early pace. Granted she was in the midst of XC season and would’ve beat men him by middle of indoors, but still it was unfortunate.
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