If Kiptum does in fact go under 2 officially, who will be remembered in 50 years as the 1st break 2 in the marathon?

Both. Both are important to history and the evolution of the sport.

Yes, we might just run 20K and 40K instead as opposed to some weird distance that is an unintended artifact of silly British royalty.

You're 100% right. My hope is that Eliud's sub 2 fades from memory.

It's one of the confusing aspects of our sport- record eligible courses vs non-eligible?

An iconic races- Boston- isn't record eligible.

Women only vs mixed records.

Altitude vs sea level.

Imagine if home runs were declared not HR's because they were hit in Colorado or the wind was at the back of the ball?

We all understand the difference but the average person thinks it's confusing and dumb.

Given enough time, both Kiptums and Kipchoges results will be scratched as anti-doping advances,

Good question.

100%

Then replace Kiptum with Kiplimo and ask the same question

Kipchoge will be remembered for proving that it us humanly possible to break 2:00 for a marathon distance, under ideal circumstances. That is epic.

Some day a runner actually will break 2:00 in a marathon*. That will be epic.

As of today, no human has ever finished a marathon under 2:00, so Kipchoge can't get credit for doing what has not been done.

*Sanctioned, mass start, against competitors, legit marathon.

you mean there might be some DB out there who refuses to respect local laws and ends up missing competitions as a result? kewl.

Kiptum. Official WRs, particularly ones of that magnitude, get remembered. Unofficial ones, like Kipchoge's, don't.

I think your first paragraph is an argument for Kipchoge being seen as the GOAT.

I don't think Kiptum will be seen as the GOAT after his career is done regardless. I can see him winning an Olympic gold next year though I foresee a Daniel Komen-type career. Hard to have longevity when you train like Kiptum does. Short period of raising the ceiling for all and then moving on. Would love it if he proves me wrong.

Forget all you guys, all your faith in the ridiculous sketchiness of kiptum’s rise absent of any track or measurable record or pedigree.

both are microdosers, but kiptum is on a fast track to an exposé. Kipchoge will be buried in the sands of time.

what does it say about the sport that the fanboys get to shrug their shoulders when their guy inevitably goes down?

Glenn Cunningham ran 3:58 in the 1930s but no one was watching so isn’t remembered.

False. Roger Bannister‘s performance is still talked about to this day even though athletes are now running in the 3:40s.

bbc.com

'Incapable' - the woman who raced a lie

Bobbi Gibb was denied by a letter and obscured by an image, but has beaten both to be recognised for what she is.

Open link

Quoting from the article: "Switzer was neither first, nor official. She was, in fact, the second-place woman in the second year of what is now called the women's pioneer division Boston Marathon," says Gibb.

Unless Kiptum gets busted for PEDs use.

Only a matter of time before the irreversible heart damage is understood by the general public.

Like what?

Yes…the Kipchoge race doesn’t count for anything