Keith is just another British doper.
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We talked about Keith vs Valby on this week'd podcast. Go for the 54:31 mark.
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mayesrandall wrote:
Why are people saying there is a British doping problem? I Googled the topic and saw very few cases and nothing regarding their top middle distance runners.
On this list you have to go back to 1993 with a British shot putter.I remember this case.What does Martin Fagan have to do with UK Athletics.
He's already a doper. no need to put the boot in by calling him a Brit as well
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The United Kingdom is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He is from NI, so that would make him part of UK Athletics. They are on the same team in many events. Maybe you are saying he is not British.13
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English refers only to people and things that are from England specifically. Thus, to be English is not to be Scottish, Welsh nor Northern Irish. British, on the other hand, refers to anything from Great Britain, meaning anyone who lives in Scotland, Wales or England are considered British.
This is complicated, has political significance, and could lead to a bar fight with too many pints of Guinness, but there does not seem to be any evidence that these folks have a systemic doping problem.
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NI athletes can choose whether to race for either NI or Eire
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What if you are a Manx and from the Isle of Man?
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"Why are people saying there is a British doping problem? I Googled the topic and saw very few cases and nothing regarding their top middle distance runners."
I assume the concentration of top runners, especially Scottish, but their success is more likely related to their affinity for sport and clubs from a young age, or genetics, rather than doping. It could certainly be doping as well, but probably not more than anywhere else in the world.
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mayesrandall wrote:
The United Kingdom is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He is from NI, so that would make him part of UK Athletics. They are on the same team in many events. Maybe you are saying he is not British.Fagan is from Westmeath, not a county in northern Ireland.
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Derry2 wrote:
NI athletes can choose whether to race for either NI or Eire
yes you're right but Fagan isn't an NI athlete he is from Mullingar in County Westmeath
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mayesrandall wrote:
The United Kingdom is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He is from NI, so that would make him part of UK Athletics. They are on the same team in many events. Maybe you are saying he is not British.He is not British, Nor does he come from the UK, he is Irish. He was supported by Athletics Ireland throughout his career not UKA
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They have given us a lot of fast and clean runners over the years, like Mo Farah or Paula Radcliffe.
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We talked about Keith vs Valby on this week'd podcast. Go for the 54:31 mark.
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Besides the obvious that they are both 21yrs and both just ran cross-country, was there some other significant point you were trying to convey?
Or was this just another opportunity to draw attention to your forum that throws out doping aspersions (at the brits, in this case)?
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There's a difference between slow and 27 and change for a 7k
That's basically barely sub 32 8k pace which is pathetic when you have many NCAA women running under 16 for 5k on grass
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what? _ wrote:
There's a difference between slow and 27 and change for a 7k
That's basically barely sub 32 8k pace which is pathetic when you have many NCAA women running under 16 for 5k on grass
Did you see the mud in Brussels? There was virtually no end to it. Plus European cross country courses are rarely measured accurately. It could have been 7.5km?
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Megan was FLYING at the euro xc champs. She would have finished 50th in the U23 Mens equivalent race. Astonishing.
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what? _ wrote:
There's a difference between slow and 27 and change for a 7k
That's basically barely sub 32 8k pace which is pathetic when you have many NCAA women running under 16 for 5k on grass
No, you don't have that many women running under 16 for 5k on a legit 5k xc course in the NCAA. And I am not talking questionable "5k splits". Doris Lemnegole ran 16:05 at Joe Piane this year, for example.
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what? _ wrote:
There's a difference between slow and 27 and change for a 7k
That's basically barely sub 32 8k pace which is pathetic when you have many NCAA women running under 16 for 5k on grass
This reminds me of young NFL fans who look at quarterback stats from 50 years ago and dismiss the entirety as pathetic.
Uh, situational influence tends to play a role. And there was direct comparison. Keith ran away from Greta Karinauskaitė and Amina Maatoug very early in that race, gapping them more decisively than anything they experienced in the NCAA final.
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Awsi Dooger wrote:
This reminds me of young NFL fans who look at quarterback stats from 50 years ago and dismiss the entirety as pathetic.
Uh, situational influence tends to play a role. And there was direct comparison. Keith ran away from Greta Karinauskaitė and Amina Maatoug very early in that race, gapping them more decisively than anything they experienced in the NCAA final.
How was there ‘direct comparison’ when the NCAA final wasn’t in mud, and those two athletes are on different season schedules and ran Natty’s, whereas, Keith didn’t.
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