I rewatched the men’s race and not ALL moved out of lane 1 when being passed. In fact Graham made his move when the lead group passed Kiprop who stayed in lane 1. Might not be a big deal but just stating the facts. Also, even if the girls moved to lane 2 would Valby even had a shot at the Olympic standard?
That was the perfect time for Blanks to make his move btw. He was already running a bit wide and was able to use the lapped runner to gain an advantage on the leader he was overtaking.
I’ll admit I was annoyed with all the women not moving out while watching the race live, but if they had all given Valby the inside maybe she runs 14:54.xx instead of 14:56.11, not hugely significant.
Stay put and don't move out. If the runner being lapped moves out just as the passing runner comes up behind, there can be a collision or at least interference. If the passing runner knows the runner is going to stay on the inside, he or she can just go around. I've seen more problems when runners move out than when they stay on the inside.
Is this thread a joke? It's not other people's responsibilities to worry about another runner, everyone's out there to do their best and run the fastest time possible. Why would I sacrifice my own race and a potential PR? And to anyone who says it's not a sacrifice to move out, then it's equally not a sacrifice for the lead runner to simply go around. If a top runner doesn't want to risk having to go around someone, they need to set up their own time trial.
Actually, it is the responsibility of lapped runners to move into lane two. You learn that early in college. Valby lapped seven runners from 12:00 on to the end, none of whom moved out for her, whereas Blanks lapped four runners from 12 to the end and three moved out for him. The first guy he came up to turned his head, saw the three guys, Blanks, Atkin, and Robinson, coming and did not move, so they had to go around him. The other guys had already moved into lane two as Blanks was showing up. So, there was a difference between these two races.
It is better for lapped runners to stay in lane one so that the passing runner knows what to expect. This should be the rule. More often than not when a lapped runner tries to get out of the way they just make things worse. Either cutting off the second runner or moving the passing runner out farther by accident.
I rewatched the men’s race and not ALL moved out of lane 1 when being passed. In fact Graham made his move when the lead group passed Kiprop who stayed in lane 1. Might not be a big deal but just stating the facts. Also, even if the girls moved to lane 2 would Valby even had a shot at the Olympic standard?
There was a thread on here about a year ago discussing this issue, and most of the outspoken posters were saying to NOT move out, as they might be moving into the path of the leaders.
Maybe these young women were instructed the same way.
Personally I feel lapped runners should move out when it's possible and safe to do so.
That is correct. Its safer for the lapping runner to pass on the outside. It sucks esp in the turns, but it really doesn't add that much time because the slower runner isn't going to impede the lapping runner that way or screw up his pace.
My summary is that Valby is a tailgater. She clearly isn't accustomed to running behind someone. She would have been much more relaxed if the gap had always been at least 50% greater.
Valby also seemed eager to pass but for whatever reason held back. I sensed she could have taken the lead at least a lap or two earlier, if not three+.
Consequently this 14.56 is not a true reflection of her current level. It's like a racehorse who was held by the jockey far too deep into the race.
Another take on this is to maybe not have 21 runners in the top heat of the 5000. There are many ways to handle this. They make even tougher cut offs for the 5000 even more difficult than it is making that the exclusive race distance and others can run in more crowded heats of the 3000. Cut the 3000 from the meet. Or, if you don't mind making it longer you could run more of the slower heats in the morning before the meet was started. Or run one more slower heat later. There are more options but in the end the race staff did not have to load the top heat with 21 on an indoor track knowing the group they had running.
Only one correct answer and it's that nobody should move out.
It's better for the runner doing the lapping and it's better for the lapped runner.
For some reason hobbyjoggers get all upset when they see people not moving out, nobody who's actually been in the position that Valby was in thinks that everyone should move out.
I mean it would be good etiquette to move out of the way, but everyone in the race is racing for themselves. If they’re having a bad day then it is different, but if someone gets lapped whilst they’re on target for a PB or school record or something else, of course they won’t want to compromise their race.
Another take on this is to maybe not have 21 runners in the top heat of the 5000. There are many ways to handle this. They make even tougher cut offs for the 5000 even more difficult than it is making that the exclusive race distance and others can run in more crowded heats of the 3000. Cut the 3000 from the meet. Or, if you don't mind making it longer you could run more of the slower heats in the morning before the meet was started. Or run one more slower heat later. There are more options but in the end the race staff did not have to load the top heat with 21 on an indoor track knowing the group they had running.
Yes, 21 would probably be a good number on an outdoor track. Indoors, its too many.
There was a thread on here about a year ago discussing this issue, and most of the outspoken posters were saying to NOT move out, as they might be moving into the path of the leaders.
Maybe these young women were instructed the same way.
Personally I feel lapped runners should move out when it's possible and safe to do so.
You recall correctly. I am also of this school of thought. If a runner reacts too late, they collide with the lapping runner. There has to be a high level of situational awareness for moving out of the way to work.
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Your post makes no sense. We are talking about the men moving.out and the women not moving out. Guys who have PRs of 13:30 were getting put the way while women with 16:00 PRs didn't move but your take is that elites don't do it? Are you in the twilight zone?
Your post makes no sense. We are talking about the men moving.out and the women not moving out. Guys who have PRs of 13:30 were getting put the way while women with 16:00 PRs didn't move but your take is that elites don't do it? Are you in the twilight zone?
I take it back then, you can be fast and wrong too.
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