Is Addy Wiley even more talented than Athing Mu based on her XC domination?

Mu is not doping. She has always been great, for example setting the AR in the 600 as a 16 year old. Looking at the 800 all time list and taking out dopers and DSD athletes, she is probably the true WR holder.

Agreed. I would like to see her focus on the 800m next year, and try and make the Olympic final (just as Reekie has in the past). Then move up after 2024 when, presumably, the older competitors will retire, opening up spots heading for 2028 for younger 1500m runners.

Not sure what your post has to do with topic. Of course, Addy’s decision is her own. She has the best view of the pros and cons. You say that she’ll never be cleared in people’s minds unless she does what they say they want, but is that really true? They could just be saying this, and I bet that a great number of people demanding that she does this or that (or else they won’t like her) won’t like her or find her acceptable no matter what.

It is true that some people pass a collective judgement on others by the company they keep (even if all they have to go on is their perception, what they’ve heard, past actions, etc). They will find a whole group guilty of what an individual did, and that is what’s being done to Wiley. I think it’s best to look at each person individually. What has Wiley done to deserve the incessant poor treatment she gets here from you, the site owners, and others? Do you commonly judge groups of people in this tribal fashion?

All the best americans are dopers,and most are very blatant.Its part of the win at all costs mentality,and sporting culture. Thats why many collegians are so good.

She continues to support a coach (her coaches) who raped and gave PED’s to his athletes. If you think a persons post is just ones opinion you’re crazy. Addy can get out of this mess and save her career if she gets out now. No way this ended well if she stays with Lauren and Nick Johnson.
She desperately needs people around her to give her proper advice. I’m saddened she apparently does not have that

The 800 is going to get a lot more crowded and soon with Rose, Willis, Whitaker, and Gorriaran. All of these athletes have fast 400 PRs and 4x4 splits. Strength matters but speed kills. They won’t challenge Mu as she is world class in the 800, 400, and 1500, but there are only two other spots on that Olympic team. Not to mention Nia Akins and Raevyn Rogers. It’s crowded.

Don’t mind Astro. He accuses everyone of doping. Like most athletes at the very top, Mu is coached by someone who has purportedly doped their athletes. Like you, however, even though Mu is phenomenal, this is not enough to assume 100% that they’re dirty.

He’s not wrong about all of them though.

Unfortunately, I can't disagree with this take either. But it might take a lot to change her mind, hopefully her talent doesn't get put on the shelf due to this situation (or its fallout).

Dominated XC in what way? If she really wanted to "dominate," she would have run for the entire season and not just one meet. It's great that she is working on her endurance but to it requires more than a single XC race. I am sure that is doing more than that, though.

As was pointed out in an earlier post, it is doubtful that she will ever run the times that Mu has run the 800. Wiley's 400 speed just isn't there. Mu may or may not truly excel in the 1500. If she puts in a strong effort, she can be the best American at both the 800/1500. On the surface it appears that her 1500 dalliances last year were merely to increase her endurance for the 800. We ridiculed Kersee for taking Mu down that path but in retrospect it appears to have worked. Even with that token effort from Mu in the 1500, she beat Wiley at her own game.

Back to XC, If Wiley is going to be "dominant," she'll need to prove herself against the best. The NAIA course was a lot easier than the D1 course and also easier than the D2 & D3 courses. Wiley would have more than likely not been in the top 160 in the D1 race, the top 70 in the D2 race, and the top 10 in the D3 event.

She should plan on a future in the steeplechase, tbh. That was Lauren's plan until her muscles got too big for some reason.

You talk as though you live with her and know her every thought, action, and interaction with others. Do you?

You say “this” ends badly if she stays for a moment longer. How do you know this is true, and according to what measurement of “success” are you applying to your fortune telling? You sound like a good social media expert on AW’s life and how she needs to live it.

I tend to think that a change at some point would likely be good for AW, but I have a hard time understanding the notion of requiring someone do things my way, or else!

Mu is not world class. Hiltz ran 4.00 in her semi and she was last!!

How is an olympic gold medalist not world class?

You speak as you’re defending her coaches. Both Lauren and Nick should be banned for life. It’s sickening to tell you the truth. Absolutely sickening. Abby needs adult advice of this one and if you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. It’s not overly complicated in running. If she wants to be recognized and respected then she needs to ditch the criminals Nick and Lauren. Otherwise it’s obvious why she stays with them

I am certainly not wrong about one in particular. As to Mu, like Sydney, a legitimate natural talent. But when you are coached by a guy called The Chemist, I assume she is playing the game.

As far as cross country does it matter? Once runners are out of college most drop cross country anyhow and I suspect Wiley will too. Reminds me of a female Nick Symmonds (don't read anything into that) who dominated D3 but stepped up his game when he turned pro at both the 800 and 1500.

Nick and Lauren were both kicked out of the OTC and leave it to a “Christian” school to hire them. Absolutely disgusting to think about what Nick did. He pretended he was an Oregon coach and raped some poor girl. Lauren did nothing and continues to stay with him. She ( Lauren ) admitted to knowing Nick slept with girls on the team. This guy is a pig and Lauren isn’t far behind.

There are great coaches out there that can help Addy develop as a person and an athlete. If Addy continues staying with these two criminals she will never get the respect a 3:59 athlete deserves.

Her OLY golds and WC gold were won while being coached by Milton Mallard though.