It's almost like you are not happy ADAK is doing its work.
Eh? No, I'm delighted. However, it does appear that although they have clearly ramped up testing, they look on course to be well short this year of the total they originally promised Coe to save themselves from being banned (5,000) and then the figure of 3,500 that was given earlier this year.
We haven't had a track runner busted in a very long time. And the fact they're now targeting sub-elites (by Kenyan standards) on the roads is interesting to say the least.
We haven't had a track runner busted in a very long time. And the fact they're now targeting sub-elites (by Kenyan standards) on the roads is interesting to say the least.
Runners still claiming prize money. Why be so dismissive of busting runners that are cheating to win prize money?
We haven't had a track runner busted in a very long time. And the fact they're now targeting sub-elites (by Kenyan standards) on the roads is interesting to say the least.
Runners still claiming prize money. Why be so dismissive of busting runners that are cheating to win prize money?
Because no other country is testing at this level. Like I always say, put all your cops in one neighbourhood, all your arrests will come from that same neighbourhood.
Aha....so the Kenyans are addressing the doping problem after all.@Coevett has been driving the narrative that they are not.This story from ADAK shows they are taking serious steps with more tests and tougher testing regime.By positing this
ADAK concerned at the number of athletes in multiple top training camps that have been trying to evade the new strict testing regimen. The new crackdown began in January and saw 2,000 tests carried out. The results are about...
you have actually undermined your previous anti-kenyan narrative in which you have been saying that the doping menace in Kenya is out of control and campaigning for banning Kenya from competitions.
What are you talking about? They have finally been forced by the threat of being banned to ramp up testing, and the results are still not out yet. Can you read? We still don't know how effective this testing is, and if the testers are less corrupt as they were before with their tea money bribes and early warning texts.
Eh? No, I'm delighted. However, it does appear that although they have clearly ramped up testing, they look on course to be well short this year of the total they originally promised Coe to save themselves from being banned (5,000) and then the figure of 3,500 that was given earlier this year.
How many tests does UKAD do? Single digits?
They promised Coe 5,000 tests this year, and said this would be 7x the previous year. That means around 700 tests in Kenya last year, and testing had already been ramped up, so you can imagine how low the figures were before that.
UKAD performed 155 random tests in Q1 of this year, which would be over 600 in a year. So until this year, number of tests was quite similar, and of course much higher likely for more than 2 years ago. And as you keep telling us, Kenya has 'way more elite athletes' than the rest of the world combined.
There are currently something like 63 Kenyans suspended, and you maintain they are all or mostly from last year. So let's say that 63 Kenyans tested positive last year out of around 700 tests. That's nearly 1 in every 10 tests producing a positive. We should expect perhaps 200 Kenyans to test positive in the coming months once the 2,000 results are revealed. Maybe more as these tests are more from road running.
How many positives were there in the UK last year? I can't even think of any. Maybe a sprinter or a field athlete? So probably no more than 1 in 600 tests results in a positive in the UK, compared to 1 in 10 in Kenya.
It can hardly be argued that an increase in enforcement means the problem has been reduced. The increase in enforcement is in recognition of the scale of the problem. It isn't about "putting all your cops in one neighbourhood", it is akin to the targeting of organised crime, a problem that requires every vigorous response. Not every community or country has a problem of that level. Kenya does.
The way I see it Is that they are facing the problem and deploying solutions to fix it.You on the other hand is looking at the whole issue through the lenses of a westerner.When you ask as to whether the measures they are deploying are working, who do you expect to do the verification checks?Do you see how patronising that observation is?As for corruption,it is everywhere not just in Kenya.I reckon you are approaching this issue purely with the aim of campaigning for the ban.You have closed up your mind and refused to look at the bigger picture. In my humble view your campaigning for the ban will go nowhere .
The way I see it Is that they are facing the problem and deploying solutions to fix it.You on the other hand is looking at the whole issue through the lenses of a westerner.When you ask as to whether the measures they are deploying are working, who do you expect to do the verification checks?Do you see how patronising that observation is?As for corruption,it is everywhere not just in Kenya.I reckon you are approaching this issue purely with the aim of campaigning for the ban.You have closed up your mind and refused to look at the bigger picture. In my humble view your campaigning for the ban will go nowhere .
Stop whitesplaining. You are no more a Kenyan than is El K. No real Kenyan would deny that corruption is absolutely rife in Kenya. The fact that testers were accepting bribes and giving athletes advanced text warnings of 'random' tests is established and came out in the wake of Kiprup's bust.
Nearly 40% of Kenyans who sought any kind of Government assistence experienced corruption in a period of 12 months, with the paying of bribes to obtain a birth certificate being the most common.
It can hardly be argued that an increase in enforcement means the problem has been reduced. The increase in enforcement is in recognition of the scale of the problem. It isn't about "putting all your cops in one neighbourhood", it is akin to the targeting of organised crime, a problem that requires every vigorous response. Not every community or country has a problem of that level. Kenya does.
The problem is that they have to use Kenyan cops and Kenyan cops are among the most corrupt in the entire world...
Police corruption is a form of police misconduct in which law enforcement officers seek personal gain, such as money or career advancement, through the abuse
The way I see it Is that they are facing the problem and deploying solutions to fix it.You on the other hand is looking at the whole issue through the lenses of a westerner.When you ask as to whether the measures they are deploying are working, who do you expect to do the verification checks?Do you see how patronising that observation is?As for corruption,it is everywhere not just in Kenya.I reckon you are approaching this issue purely with the aim of campaigning for the ban.You have closed up your mind and refused to look at the bigger picture. In my humble view your campaigning for the ban will go nowhere .
Stop whitesplaining. You are no more a Kenyan than is El K. No real Kenyan would deny that corruption is absolutely rife in Kenya. The fact that testers were accepting bribes and giving athletes advanced text warnings of 'random' tests is established and came out in the wake of Kiprup's bust.
Nearly 40% of Kenyans who sought any kind of Government assistence experienced corruption in a period of 12 months, with the paying of bribes to obtain a birth certificate being the most common.
I have never understood your logic for using the tea money argument. If testers were being bribed, then why was Kiprop caught? Makes no sense.
Because he only gave $32. So they taught him (and others!) a lesson and actually gave his sample to the lab instead of "losing" it or "forgetting" it in a hot trunk somewhere.
The advance notice in Kenya back then is well established, at least since Reid C tweeted about it, and Canova explained here on letsrun why the advance notice is so useful (so everybody in a training camp would make themselves available, lol). USADA did the same thing, also well established since Coleman. Who knows what other NADOs do?
Also recall that the AIU is quite behind for whatever reason, as they just announced provisional suspensions from several months back.
Ekiru is from last year. Still never made any Kenyan team.
He received his judgement in 2023, and was provisionally suspended in 2022. If you want to go by provisional suspension, don't forget about World Record Holder Kipruto and U20 World Champ Kwemoi, both suspended in 2023.
"never made any Kenyan team"? Now a 2:02 runner isn't elite enough for you? Because a whopping five athletes, two thereof Kenyan, have run faster? That's sheer desperation, rekrunnr.
We haven't had a track runner busted in a very long time. And the fact they're now targeting sub-elites (by Kenyan standards) on the roads is interesting to say the least.
Sheer desperation if not outright trolling. Kipruto just got banned, and he was 2nd in the world over 10,000 m for a whopping 75 weeks. Are you playing opposite day??
ADAK concerned at the number of athletes in multiple top training camps that have been trying to evade the new strict testing regimen. The new crackdown began in January and saw 2,000 tests carried out. The results are about to be revealed. Grab your popcorn!
I can't wait for the acres of threads that will be wasted discussing these no-name sub-national journeymen road runners. Coevett will act like it's the Kiprop bust all over again.
That excuse was negated with kiprop, kipyokei, manangoi, kipsang, and Kipruto. Rhonex really opened my eyes. I had given the benefit of the doubt until then, but it seems I was just being willingly naive. There’s obviously a massive problem there in “your” country. Claiming it’s just a bunch of nobodies doesn’t help the situation- not even a little.
What does it matter? Already allow cheat shoes. Far as I’m concerned, the whole sport is dirty. They might as well just open the flood gates and allow everything.
ADAK concerned at the number of athletes in multiple top training camps that have been trying to evade the new strict testing regimen. The new crackdown began in January and saw 2,000 tests carried out. The results are about to be revealed. Grab your popcorn!
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