Steve Magness DESTROYS NPR segment on whether testosterone is performance enhancing

HRE wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Oh please educate us, with your advanced degrees medicine and psychiatry.

We shouldn’t have transwomen who have male-levels of testosterone compete in women’s divisions in sport. But that doesn’t change the fact that trans people are legitimate people and have existed for a very long time. I don’t why being a nice person is hard for so many people.

Yes, trans people are legitimate people who have been around a long time. But there were not nearly as many as there are now, or if there were they kept a much lower profile than many of them do now. And the ones who had been men were not trying to compete in women's sports after they made the change as now. Maybe that's because there were very few women's sports for them to compete in, but it was not an issue.

And speaking of nice people, a fair few of them are not. This might be an issue where nice people could discuss ideas and co-exist. But when they find someone who does not agree that "trans women are women and trans men are men" they often react by trying to destroy the lives and careers of those people. So yes, transpeople have been around a long time but very few if any behaved like many of them do now.

TKTKTK wrote:

HRE wrote:

Yes, trans people are legitimate people who have been around a long time. But there were not nearly as many as there are now, or if there were they kept a much lower profile than many of them do now. And the ones who had been men were not trying to compete in women's sports after they made the change as now. Maybe that's because there were very few women's sports for them to compete in, but it was not an issue.

And speaking of nice people, a fair few of them are not. This might be an issue where nice people could discuss ideas and co-exist. But when they find someone who does not agree that "trans women are women and trans men are men" they often react by trying to destroy the lives and careers of those people. So yes, transpeople have been around a long time but very few if any behaved like many of them do now.

That’s right, HRE! They should go back into the closet like they used to be or, if they absolutely must come out, allow themselves to be societal punching-bags for gender-insecure men! Like you, I just hate when these people have the temerity to stand up for themselves! It’s so unbecoming.

TKTKTK wrote:

HRE wrote:

Yes, trans people are legitimate people who have been around a long time. But there were not nearly as many as there are now, or if there were they kept a much lower profile than many of them do now. And the ones who had been men were not trying to compete in women's sports after they made the change as now. Maybe that's because there were very few women's sports for them to compete in, but it was not an issue.

And speaking of nice people, a fair few of them are not. This might be an issue where nice people could discuss ideas and co-exist. But when they find someone who does not agree that "trans women are women and trans men are men" they often react by trying to destroy the lives and careers of those people. So yes, transpeople have been around a long time but very few if any behaved like many of them do now.

That’s right, HRE! They should go back into the closet like they used to be or, if they absolutely must come out, allow themselves to be societal punching-bags for gender-insecure men! Like you, I just hate when these people have the temerity to stand up for themselves! It’s so unbecoming.

rekrunner wrote:

BLM!! wrote:

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I have long accepted (without evidence or argument) that testosterone and other male hormones for women will benefit women in events requiring increased muscular strength.

I haven't looked much at testosterone science, and apparently Magness hasn't either.

From the NPR broadcast:

"But there are also experts in this field that question these arguments around biological sex and testosterone. I spoke to Katrina Karkazis, who's an anthropologist and co-author of the book "Testosterone: An Unauthorized Biography." She looked at a lot of studies on the effects of testosterone. And what she and other researchers in the field told me was that these studies on testosterone show a wide range of results."

"KATRINA KARKAZIS: Sometimes people with higher levels do better, sometimes people with higher levels do the same, and sometimes people with higher levels do worse."

Generally speaking, having read several research papers on doping and sports performance, I would say it is the doping/performance researchers who need to "do better", not to mention Magness.

The RecordShows wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I have long accepted (without evidence or argument) that testosterone and other male hormones for women will benefit women in events requiring increased muscular strength.

I haven't looked much at testosterone science, and apparently Magness hasn't either.

From the NPR broadcast:

"But there are also experts in this field that question these arguments around biological sex and testosterone. I spoke to Katrina Karkazis, who's an anthropologist and co-author of the book "Testosterone: An Unauthorized Biography." She looked at a lot of studies on the effects of testosterone. And what she and other researchers in the field told me was that these studies on testosterone show a wide range of results."

"KATRINA KARKAZIS: Sometimes people with higher levels do better, sometimes people with higher levels do the same, and sometimes people with higher levels do worse."

Generally speaking, having read several research papers on doping and sports performance, I would say it is the doping/performance researchers who need to "do better", not to mention Magness.

This ranks as of the dumbest posts I have ever read on LetsRun.

"...these studies on testosterone show a wide range of results." That isn't the same thing as "it doesn't work as a performance enhancer". It is banned for men and women in competition because of decades of research that shows it is a big performance enhancer. A performance enhancer that doesn't benefit every single person on the planet is still a performance enhancer.