Woody on Bowerman: "I think now it's not the only ticket in town."

rojo · 2023-11-04T11:55:38-04:00

Jonathan Gault had a nice interaction with Woody today at the US 5k champs. You can listen to the whole interview here.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApqrIhLJZn8Kincaid had some good quotes on the changes at the BTC.“Honestly, there used to be a thought on Bowerman that this is it, this is the top of the game. And I think now it’s not the only ticket in town. Bowerman’s still really good. They’re not going anywhere. But I think there are other teams now that are up there and competitive.”But I also thought what he revealed about who stayed is even more interesting. They are all very happy. Kincaid said he still talks to the remaining Bowerman members and that “the people there are really happy.” He did not want to speculate on why Fisher, Teare, and Cranny left but believed each had a different reason. “I didn’t think they’d leave this year,” Kincaid said. “Leaving this year during an Olympic year is something that even I wouldn’t probably do. But I’m not surprised that people are leaving at some point…I think every person had a different reason for why they’re leaving Bowerman.”https://www.letsrun.com/news/2023/11/2023-us-5k-road-champs-morgan-beadlescomb-annie-rodenfels-win-in-central-park/

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2 years ago 11/04/2023 6:43pm EDT

re: Lets Get Real

Lets Get Real wrote:
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It has nothing to do with Shelby. Gatlin got busted TWICE and Nike still sponsored him. Nike isn't afraid of a drug bust.

That case was handled quite differently. Here we had the coaches and several teammates openly support the doper, shining a very poor light on BTC as a whole. The whole idea of BTC (like NOP) was to have Nike look good, so obviously BTC (like NOP) had to go, once it would backfire. Just my two cents that however fit the whole history since 2021. They aren't stupid; the whole Portland/Eugene stuff was completely planned, front to back.

2 years ago 11/04/2023 7:19pm EDT

re: isnt it obvious

I think after the way Woody stunk it up in Budapest, post Budapest and then getting owned by Tinmen this morning, he should probably be making his way back to Eugene STAT.

2 years ago 11/04/2023 9:59pm EDT

re: duck sauce

I think it's kind of damning that, despite all the reasons to stay and the uncertainty of a new training situation in an Olympic year, Fisher, Teare and Cranny still chose to leave.

2 years ago 11/04/2023 10:02pm EDT

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2 years ago 11/04/2023 10:06pm EDT

re: Lets Get Real

Lets Get Real wrote:
rojo wrote:
or tell the pros that they can stay in Portland but one workout a week will be in Eugene (they drive down) and one in Eugene (Jerry drives down).
Or have Jerry move to Eugene by himself, and leave Bowerman in Portland and get a different coach. Surely Nike could have found another coach for Bowerman.

The problem is Schumacher is BTC. It's why athletes decided to join BTC. Removing Schumacher removes the reason to join in the first place.

2 years ago 11/05/2023 8:19am EST

re: What a rookie sheeeeesh

What a rookie sheeeeesh wrote:
rojo wrote:
Why does someone need to ask Nike? Isn't this obvious?
The exodus has taken place as Jerry has taken the Oregon job at Uncle Phil's request. The team found out about it after the fact, were mandated to move to Eugene as some combo of Uncle Phil/Nike/Jerry wanted them to elevate the UO team and now some of them have left as they don't like playing 2nd fiddle and / or having to live in Eugene.
Unlce Phil, Jerry and Oregon runners have all benefitted but the pros did not.
The thing is much of this could have been avoided.
Let's go back in time.
The pros should have been told BEFORE the announcement.
Jerry calls a BTC team meeting.the
"Hey guys and gals. I know we don't normally do formal team meetings but we've got an important visitor who wants to talk to the team today...... (Enter Phil Knight). This is Phil Knight - the founder of Nike and the reason why we have jobs. Mr Knight the floor is yours.
Mr. Knight: "Hello everyone. I know many of us have never met but I know almost all of you as I've been a big fan for years. Besides my family, I have three passions in life - Nike, the Univerisy of Oregon and track and field. And I'm please to say I think you guys are the best track and field team in the world and you represent Nike. However, I also wish my beloved Ducks were the best xc team in the NCAA but they are not. I've asked your coach - Jerry Schumacher - to take over the Oregon xc and track job to lead them back to glory while also still coachingthe BTC. Coach Schumacher is worried about how you guys would feel about change so that's why I'm here.
I wanted to let you all know that this is very important to me but I also want to be reasonable. So I'm here to say that if you agree to move to Eugene and be a part of the new BTC track club which moving forward will be based in Eugene, I'll bump up your pay by 15%. If you don't want to be part of the new BTC, Nike will still of course honor your contract and you can find whatever coaching arrangement you choose.
Best of luck to you whatever you decide."
Either do something like that or tell the pros that they can stay in Portland but one workout a week will be in Eugene (they drive down) and one in Eugene (Jerry drives down).
How disconnected from reality is this guy?

Very disconnected. “Why can’t the rich dad just throw money at it to make the situation work?” Is his go to for everything.

2 years ago 11/05/2023 12:55pm EST

re: Just an old track enthusiast

Key part of the interview is Woody admitting he went into the 10,000m overtrained. The idea is that a coach, based on experience, will keep that from happening when it matters. Mike Smith has it easy though. He can get the accolades when people pop through but get no blame when his “not a team” underperforms.
Cranny and Grant know the basics that have worked for the building but the key is the last part to sharpen to be ready at the end of the season.On an aside, Kincaid is delusional if he thinks he can medal. It would have to be a walk until the last lap kind of race, which are from Rupp’s and Mo’s era.

2 years ago 11/07/2023 1:20pm EST

re: bloviating

Is Karissa S still with BTC? Never hear her mentioned.

2 years ago 11/07/2023 2:23pm EST

re: Just an old track enthusiast

Just an old track enthusiast wrote:
To the media jockeys out there- Go ask BTC or Nike why this massive exodus has taken place. That’s most likely where the real story is. Don’t try and pluck information or dirt from previous BTC athletes that are sponsored by Nike - same on you as that is not journalism.

This is totally wrong and backwards, as an assessment of journalism. Nike and BTC are never going to tell anything interesting or substantive. Ever. They want BTC to look cool and for people to buy Nike. That is all.

Athletes who for whatever reason are or feel free to speak more candidly are far more likely to provide actual insights into what is happening at BTC. How did media literacy get to be this bad?

2 years ago 11/07/2023 3:05pm EST

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
Why does someone need to ask Nike? Isn't this obvious?
The exodus has taken place as Jerry has taken the Oregon job at Uncle Phil's request. The team found out about it after the fact, were mandated to move to Eugene as some combo of Uncle Phil/Nike/Jerry wanted them to elevate the UO team and now some of them have left as they don't like playing 2nd fiddle and / or having to live in Eugene.
Unlce Phil, Jerry and Oregon runners have all benefitted but the pros did not.
The thing is much of this could have been avoided.
Let's go back in time.
The pros should have been told BEFORE the announcement.
Jerry calls a BTC team meeting.the
"Hey guys and gals. I know we don't normally do formal team meetings but we've got an important visitor who wants to talk to the team today...... (Enter Phil Knight). This is Phil Knight - the founder of Nike and the reason why we have jobs. Mr Knight the floor is yours.
Mr. Knight: "Hello everyone. I know many of us have never met but I know almost all of you as I've been a big fan for years. Besides my family, I have three passions in life - Nike, the Univerisy of Oregon and track and field. And I'm please to say I think you guys are the best track and field team in the world and you represent Nike. However, I also wish my beloved Ducks were the best xc team in the NCAA but they are not. I've asked your coach - Jerry Schumacher - to take over the Oregon xc and track job to lead them back to glory while also still coachingthe BTC. Coach Schumacher is worried about how you guys would feel about change so that's why I'm here.
I wanted to let you all know that this is very important to me but I also want to be reasonable. So I'm here to say that if you agree to move to Eugene and be a part of the new BTC track club which moving forward will be based in Eugene, I'll bump up your pay by 15%. If you don't want to be part of the new BTC, Nike will still of course honor your contract and you can find whatever coaching arrangement you choose.
Best of luck to you whatever you decide."
Either do something like that or tell the pros that they can stay in Portland but one workout a week will be in Eugene (they drive down) and one in Eugene (Jerry drives down).

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