I think the Hansons are stupid for declining. Who denies free money?
I think the Hansons are stupid for declining. Who denies free money?
nuge wrote:
i have long disliked the nyrrc for various reasons, some valid, some petty.
What about the nyrrc is there to dislike? They put on a marathon and hundreds of races, make gobs of cash, and invest it in real estate. What's wrong with that?
Now, instead of pissing $240,000 away on another director-of-some-bullshit sinecure they give four 60k grants to struggling training groups. The gesture isn't going to make anyone rich, but the money will sure go a long way, especially helping the fringe runners who train with the marquee hired guns. Even if not one dime is returned to them for the investment, at least they'll have good karma -- which is nice.
hansons weirdos wrote:
I think the Hansons are stupid for declining. Who denies free money?
$60,000 won't help what the Hansons are already doing.
There is no such thing as "free" money.
Didn't all those groups have to become non profit organizations and go through alot of hoops before they got a dime? Just can't imagine that kind of $$ being given out with any accountability. Isn't the $ to also help with blood work, PT, medical etc? That has got to be expensive.
Does anyone get that for free? Not in the good ol USA!! College maybe, but post collegiate, join a group and you may get discounts, or donations or a sponsorship. Oregon Project is Nike, sweet deal.
Just to be clear, USATF did next to nothing to give these teams the money. It's all coming from the NYRR, not usatf. The only reason USATF got their grubby little paws on it... well I can't say for sure but there's a lot of speculation that it has something to do with the marathon trials.
Kudos to USATF for organizing this effort and additional kudos to the NYRR and Twin Cities (who was the first event to contribute $$$$) for seeing the vision of supporting the athletes and coaches outside of prize money.
The Hanson project didn't want to get mixed up in all the USATF political hogwash. Nothing's free, as one poster said. With a grant like this come some pretty heavy strings...They'd rather remain independent and keep their own identity rather than confuse matters with a USATF label. Pretty much the same theory as to why they rejected Nike for Brooks...the latter being a smaller company, and easier to work and have a relationship with.
You have got to be kidding me that 60k wouldnt help their program.(if that is how much they were suppose to get; I it was that number)
The grapevine is saying that they wanted it to be spread equally and if not, they are taking their ball and going home. After how the hanson boys and girls ran over the weekend, they shouldve taken it and been happy. They have sell. Thats it.
They walked away because they felt like they were being cheated. They wanted it to be equally spread and it wasnt, so they wanted to walk away. They wouldve taken the money if it was all equal.
The fact is, they wouldnt have been offered any money if NYRR had stuck to the original plan which was to give it to two groups and not the others. Kudos to USATF for brokering a great deal for the clubs that got money. Afterall, who do you think got NYRR thinking about this "project"? USATF. Specifically Jim Estes from what I understand.
Why did this go through USATF? What will USATF do for New York in return? If the trials end up in New York, then Estes should be fired. In addition, Masback is a lawyer, it doesn't look good when a committee that is in charge of selecting the trials accepts a quarter of a million dollars for their "pet projects".
NOPE wrote:
They walked away because they felt like they were being cheated. They wanted it to be equally spread and it wasnt, so they wanted to walk away. They wouldve taken the money if it was all equal.
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ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE MONIES WERE NOT DIVIDED EQUALLY?
------------------------------------------------------------ Afterall, who do you think got NYRR thinking about this "project"? USATF. Specifically Jim Estes from what I understand.
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WHO DO YOU THINK GOT JIM ESTES THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT?
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THE GROUPS WERE AROUND LONG BEFORE ESTES WAS INVOLVED?
The Hansons are very shrewed business people. I will bet that they come out of this whole thing with a larger budget. Turning down 50-60 thousand dollars from USATF will open eyes of several donors. USATF has far more enemies than it does friends. They have been very smart in the past at not aligning themselves with the wrong people. USATF = The Wrong People.
The Hansons are very shrewed business people. I will bet that they come out of this whole thing with a larger budget. Turning down 50-60 thousand dollars from USATF will open eyes of several donors. USATF has far more enemies than it does friends. They have been very smart in the past at not aligning themselves with the wrong people. USATF = The Wrong People.
hansons weirdos wrote:
I think the Hansons are stupid for declining. Who denies free money?
There is no such thing as "free money". If I give someone money I expect something in return. Congrats to Hansons. If they don't want to owe something to USATF and NYRR then they shouldn't accept the money. Io accept the money and then not repay the donor is stealing.
USATF owes NYRR the mens tials marathon and I believe that USATF will repay their debt. Each one of these groups owe NYRR something as well.
Just because it says USATF on the label doesn't make it worth receiving. There's more to the game than meets the eye. And some groups, such as Hanson's, choose to avoid certain incentives...
Come again, say what wrote:
NOPE wrote:They walked away because they felt like they were being cheated. They wanted it to be equally spread and it wasnt, so they wanted to walk away. They wouldve taken the money if it was all equal.
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ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE MONIES WERE NOT DIVIDED EQUALLY?
------------------------------------------------------------ Afterall, who do you think got NYRR thinking about this "project"? USATF. Specifically Jim Estes from what I understand.
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WHO DO YOU THINK GOT JIM ESTES THINKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT?
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THE GROUPS WERE AROUND LONG BEFORE ESTES WAS INVOLVED?
The US Distance Project is what USATF is calling this funding effort.
As for the NYC USATF trials conspiracy... Twin Cities was the first marathon to support the effort, then NYC stepped up to support it as well. Does this mean USATF is going to give them the trials?
It is an investment into the sport that is good for many people. I dont know why people are criticizing it. It helps groups like Minnesota that are walking a tight rope financially.... If USATF wasnt involved, they probably wouldnt have gotten anything.
Why so much negativity on this subject? Ok i will generate some more. It's nice to see that in New York people are willing to help by donating so much money. I know someone like Carey Pincowski who generates so much through the shamrock shuffle and chicao marathon, is greedy. He continually screws people at the marathon and won't give a number for the shamrock shuffle to a good runner who lives down the road. I know his ass won't be dontating money to help us distance running any time soon.
If USATF are "the wrong people", why do the Hansons continue to run USATF championship events? Why do they have a club membership as an EDC? Compete in club champs, etc?
NYC and Twin Cities couldve given their money to anyone. Rumor has it that only two sites were slated to receive NYC money and USATF convinced them otherwise. The fact that 5 groups were included is great for the sport. The fact that they hansons dropped out is great for the other groups.
We have not seen the last of the support from marathons, and other sponsors in my opinion. I dont think Chicago, Boston and other major marathons is going to let this go. NYC and Twin Cities have set a standard in my opinion.
I agree and I dont think that Larson and Sev wouldve taken the money if it meant tying their hands behind their backs.
Wrong People? wrote:
If USATF are "the wrong people", why do the Hansons continue to run USATF championship events? Why do they have a club membership as an EDC? Compete in club champs, etc?
NYC and Twin Cities couldve given their money to anyone. Rumor has it that only two sites were slated to receive NYC money and USATF convinced them otherwise. The fact that 5 groups were included is great for the sport. The fact that they hansons dropped out is great for the other groups.
We have not seen the last of the support from marathons, and other sponsors in my opinion. I dont think Chicago, Boston and other major marathons is going to let this go. NYC and Twin Cities have set a standard in my opinion.