Getting rid of an older coach

lol.

what a dick- the guy has put countless hours into kids and you think there are people lining up to take his job? to deal with a hole parents like you?

How is the team culture, how is the team's recent success? You'll get laughed out of the room if you try to get this dude removed for not texting parents. If that's your main issue, the AD is not going to take your side over his.

A-FRIKKIN-MEN!!!

It's time for the OP and his kid to grow up! The coach communicates to the athletes. In turn, it is the ATHLETE'S responsibility to keep their parents in the loop on all matters pertaining to the sport. This is an important life skill. Going forward, your child's college professors are not going to copy you on the syllabus and classwork deadlines. Further down the road, the boss isn't going to send you a reminder that Junior has three meetings and a PowerPoint deck to present tomorrow.

If you know about LRC, then you should also know about Athletic.net and that is where you will find the team's schedule. Other than that, Junior needs to communicate when they need a ride home from the team bus, where the team dinner is, and for cash to buy lunch after this weekend's invitational.

This seems to be full of very American expectations. Edinburgh Athletics Club, which nurtured the last 2 World 1500m Championships and many other successful athletes aside, has coaches in their eighties, who are much respected. In Scotland, the emphasis in the junior years is always on the kids having semi-serious fun, rather than being competitively results driven at that age.

Do you want your kids to benefit from experienced coaches who sound like they put athlete development at the forefront, or do you want glossy newsletters and an Inbox full of pointless emails for yourself?

If you havent discussed this with the coach, DONT go to the AD. Nothing worse as a coach then being blindsided by a complaint that may didn't even know was an issue coming from above. Maybe perhaps show/recommend him an app or two and how easy they are to use? Theres also nothing wrong with teaching high school boys responsibility and being good communicators with their parents with relevant information.

If you have an issue with training and you don't feel the coach is providing the right opportunity to be successful, thats another issue. If your bringing that to the AD you better have some solid evidence of what they are doing in practice is not adequate, and could be a pretty difficult point to prove.

While most kids dont want their parents to interfere with their relationship with the coach, some parents just cant help themselves as they know better and live vicariously through the kid. Been there as the coach many times but still make sure they know what the expectations are for them and their kid. The first and only time a parent threatened to take their kid to the cross town rival with a great record, I told them where the door was. 3 years later, she was my top supporter, thanking us profusely as we were kicking their butts regularly with her son's help. He was good but never good enough for a parent to run the program.

Bottom line is, Old man probably knows what hes doing until he doesnt want to do it anymore. Parents and kids come and go but hes been there in the community helping kids be successful and healthy regardless if a parent thinks their superstar could do better with someone else. There's the door. Its a free country.

My kids ran cross country and track for four years in high school and four more in college. That's eight years and in that time my wife and I never had any communication with a coach that wasn't at a meet or post season get together. When they were in high school the kids never had any communication with their coach outside of at practice or at meets and I'm pretty sure the same held true when they were in college. In eight years of high school and college running I never had any communication with a coach other than at practices and meets. Why do you feel the need to communicate with your kids' coach at all by any kind of method?

As a former HS AD in NJ there are numerous factors why this coach is still coaching. First, nobody wants coaching jobs anymore. HS sports has been ruined by parents on every level. There are not a flood of younger coaches coming in and if they do coach it’s a few years. For example, when I was coaching a kid did not follow the sign at a cross walk and tried to cross when cars were coming. He got bumped by a car and broke his hand. I got sued by the parents for failure to teach their 15 year old how to properly cross at a cross walk. Second, the coach makes maybe a few grand for 5-6 months of work, counting summer training. I know school districts that have not raised the coaching pay in over a decade. Third, the time comment is astronomical these days. There are no more captains practices in the summer the coach must attend because kids are not allowed to be alone. Parents want sports dinners yearly, camps etc. The coach has to setup or be involved in all these situations. Finally, I won’t get into how parents are overall annoying because we have heard this for years. High school sports will die in our life time due to a lack of coaches, referees, and bus drivers. Happy to answer any questions about the life of a HS AD.

About outside coaching. That is not permitted in some states. If one of my kids wanted outside coaching I would be fine with that but they would no longer be on the team. No hard feelings.

Thank you, parents these days are pathetic, have to be involved in every move their precious little brat makes. Glad to that some see the light, let coaches coach and learn to communicate with your kid, and better than that, team h your kid to communicate with adults as it will benefit them greatly.

Get rid of older coaches?

Coach Joe Vigil, Ph.D: hold my beer

re outside coaching, first off, i compared it to select soccer. my select soccer coach coached me when i was not playing HS soccer. made me the player i am. i then had to endure a few months a year of disorganized silliness and conditioning obsession to represent my school. so i am suggesting supplement things off campus. not on.

now, strictly speaking, my HS coach was boss at practice and as you say rules may dictate -- they do in my state -- that coaches be school employees/teachers. however do the rules have anything to say with how i (a) handle any runs off campus/after hours? (b) whether my private coach shows up to a meet to watch? (c) whether, if my school coach is neglectful, i formulate a race plan with the outside coach? (d) how i handle the offseason? the only areas the coach controls, IMO, are the athletic period and the official practices.

along similar but slightly different lines, it occurred to me -- but only after college was done and the internet born and the fuller lay of the land apparent to me -- that when i would get pushed out of the hurdles at different points in my career, to run the sprint and mile relays for schools, that if i'd realized junior olympics type stuff existed, i could have "corrected" my way back into hurdles postseason. kind of like my select coach used me in a different, better position than my HS coach, taught me better, etc. so you use the outside spaces and grey areas to work on what is lacking. i don't think the governing bodies can literally tell you that you can't speak with someone before meets or have them cheer for/prod you during the race, any more than your parents. they can just say they can't be at practice running the thing, or drive the school bus, etc.

i mean my HS coach did run the workouts and chart the times and occasionally psuh you, but other than what team am i running with that weekend, he gave squat in the way of tactics, had nothing to say on any off-campus second sessions you did.

Let’s be frank - and I’m surprised you didn’t think of this - your coach has not been replaced because the school does not care about cross country. Provided the coach is not stealing school money, is not actually abusive, and is not a pervert, he or she meets the requirements in plenty of ISDs.

Now, what if you complained about him to his superiors? That might work, because the school principal or ISD leadership may conclude that one XX coach that no one likes isn’t worth risking political capital to defend.

I guess you have to ask yourself whether it’s worth possibly wrecking an old man’s life to get the kind of Coach you think your children deserve. Think about whether the coach is really holding anybody back. Is there someone on the team who is a potential star, and the coach is actively inhibiting his or her progress toward stardom? Count the cost before you start down that road. Once you’ve begun there is no going back.

Go ahead and have that coach removed from their position and you will find out just how barren the high school coaching landscape currently is. It's absurd that you think it would be easy to find a qualified/knowledgeable individual who is available from 3-6pm M-F and all day Saturday for meets (I'm sure you probably think they should be involved in pre-season training, fundraisers, team dinners, etc. too, because why not) and who is willing to accommodate you and all the other parents for about $2-5k per season.

There is a reason most coaches are teachers within the school district. Especially for cross country/track & field. It simply is not a very high priority for your typical AD. Unless the coach is doing something actually wrong, such as mistreating athletes, I can't understand why you would think it's a good idea to lobby for them to be removed from their position. They are taking the time out of their weekends and afternoons to foster a (presumably) healthy environment for your kids to participate in a sport they enjoy, which is more than enough for a high school coach. If you want change that bad, reach out to the AD about becoming an assistant coach so YOU can be the one to handle these monotonous things you and the fellow parents think the current coach should be doing.

There is no knowledgeable person on this board who would have declined an opportunity to be coached by a Squires, Vigil, Tulloh, Nakamura, Rosen, Bell, McDonnell, or similarly aged coach at the twilight of their careers.

Are the athletes improving? Are the kids having fun?

Maybe get your kid a magic private coach? Is that possible and still stay in the high school team ? 🇸🇪🧙‍♂️🇸🇪

Your only magic is that you are getting fat again.

The rest is all lies. Go away you fraud.

And stay away from children!