Kiptum running up to 300km a week

Hot Takes wrote:

brunner wrote:

ALL of it matters: high mileage, super shoes, etc.

Everyone else in the race was running 2:04 or slower, those aren't really super times. Top American was 2:07, just like we've had before a decade ago. Super shoes aren't why he just ran 2:00:35. You could put him in any shoe and he's beating any time ran before 'super shoes'. He's over 2 minutes faster than Dennis Kimeto's 2:02:57, the shoes don't make you that 2 minutes 22 seconds faster. Kiptum is blowing some of the top runners in the world out of the water.

Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:

HugeMilage wrote:

Rather than the doping explanation, could these incredible times be due to incredible mileage?

Doping enables the body to handle increased training and workout loads.

Manbearpig15 wrote:

How many pairs of shoes does Nike provide to this guy? If he can do a majority of his runs in Vaporflys then he's going to be able to train faster yet not beat up his legs so badly.

So in theory he might be getting superior recovery, just through the shoe technology instead of doping.

Jgt11 wrote:

Manbearpig15 wrote:

How many pairs of shoes does Nike provide to this guy? If he can do a majority of his runs in Vaporflys then he's going to be able to train faster yet not beat up his legs so badly.

So in theory he might be getting superior recovery, just through the shoe technology instead of doping.

no need for vaporfly on easy runs, dude is probably in pegs. His lack of injury is due to the butter smooth form

SlowFox wrote:

this is it

super shoes may make you a little faster, but improved shoes also increase an individual's mileage limit

Armstronglivs wrote:

HugeMilage wrote:

Rather than the doping explanation, could these incredible times be due to incredible mileage?

Incredible mileage is only possible with incredible doping.

skirun wrote:

The Japanese train with the highest mileage.

Are they the bests in the world? No.

They are very good with a very high density, but still not close to the bests.

Mileage doesn't explain everything.

Are Japanese less doping than Kenyans? I would bet yes.

Armstronglivs wrote:

runn wrote:

Yes.

I'm old enough to remember David Bedford at his best. He was running 3-4 times a day 200 =/- mpw.

When he was healthy he was breaking world records and winning (World Cross by what at least was the biggest margin ever).

It's the mileage and I believe lifestyle has something to do with it- live a very simple life of running, resting and a simple, healthy diet.

So why wasn't Bedford running modern times if he was training that hard? Yup - he was missing something they all do today.

Manbearpig15 wrote:

Jgt11 wrote:

no need for vaporfly on easy runs, dude is probably in pegs. His lack of injury is due to the butter smooth form

Apparently you don't understand how Vaporflys can aid in recovery also.

I can assure you Nike is putting their elite marathoners in something other than the retail stock Pegasus.

kgx wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Incredible mileage is only possible with incredible doping.

You know nothing about training.

Norge mania wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So why wasn't Bedford running modern times if he was training that hard? Yup - he was missing something they all do today.

Isn't Bedford the one who struggled to break 60 in a 400 m.? Guy got a lot out of what he had.

I would like to posit something revolutionary. It's possible for an issue to be nuanced and not have just one thing that is the right explanation.

For example: Kiptum could be a world record holder because he is unbelievably talented AND he runs a ton of miles AND those miles are made possible by super shoes AND his world record really isn't as fast as we think because of racing in super shoes vs. real shoes AND he is doping (maybe even to the gills).

HRE wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Incredible mileage is only possible with incredible doping.

Maybe. But the standard for what constitutes incredible mileage has dropped a lot over the years. Jeff Julian was doing volume in the 60s that was well beyond 300 km a week and there was never any reason to think he was on something.