The transwoman who won a prize was awarded the prize in error and the results are being rectified.
And the rules allow transwomen to still compete in races they already entered prior to the ban.
It's not ideal, of course, but it does seem like those who campaigned to keep women's sport for women have got what they want but it's left a hole in their lives so they need to keep finding ways to drag it out.
The new rules set by World Athletics for elite international women's competitions have not been universally adopted, though. Males are still using gender identity claims to run and win in women's races - just not in races governed by WA that count in world rankings.
For example, over the summer, a male runner - Kaylee Horn, a captain in the Royal Canadian Air Force registered in the age 50-59 age group - was the overall winner in the women's 5K in a big Canada Day race. Horn easily beat out the entire field of female runners of all ages, including those in their teens and 20s such as teenage track star Amelia Van Brant, who came in second.
What's more, Horn's time unofficially set a new women's 5K World Masters record.
Males competing and winning in women's races is still going on in many countries in all tiers of the sport below the elite international level. This practice is still unfair - and it still has a significant dispiriting effect on female runners - even in races that are not elite international ones, and even when the male runners' wins and record-setting times in female compeition don't count in WA's world rankings.
And you are a bigot if you fight against any of this stuff. Common sense isn't so common. What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right. The old world values still exist. They will never change even if the world says they have.
All the girls and women participating in all the types and levels of track & field events that aren't elite international events and thus aren't subject to WA governance - such as high school and middle school sports in the USA - should just put up with the unfairness of males continuing to use gender identity claims to horn in on the female category?
Why? Please spell out the reasons why women and girls should put up with any males in female track & field at any levels.
As a straight white man, I know that in certain areas -a women or a minority or gay person or even a vet will get preference over me. But you know what, I am willing to accept that for the greater good. It means that people have more opportunities. I am quite sure than 99% of girls who will NEVER have to deal with this are going to be okay. And to the 1%, I'm sorry, I really am. (just as I am sorry for every HS girl in CO who has to race Addy Ritz every week). It sucks for you but allowing trans people to play sports are more important than your feelings. Sports are the 1 thing that keeps kids engaged and trans kids are more likely than other kids to have problems. So why take away the 1 thing that can help them??
The transgender runner, Kaylee Horn, ran 16:30 in the 50-59 female age group. That would be a world record age group time. That is a staggering time. I don't know any 50-59 males who can run that fast. This was a 5k race in Ottawa. I wonder if Kaylee will run some higher profile masters races because she might be rewriting the female age group record book in a very significant way.
This is old news, can the right wing find something else to complain about! Oh yeah in Florida it's being taught that slavery was a positive experience for the slaves!
As a straight white man, I know that in certain areas -a women or a minority or gay person or even a vet will get preference over me. But you know what, I am willing to accept that for the greater good. It means that people have more opportunities. I am quite sure than 99% of girls who will NEVER have to deal with this are going to be okay. And to the 1%, I'm sorry, I really am. (just as I am sorry for every HS girl in CO who has to race Addy Ritz every week). It sucks for you but allowing trans people to play sports are more important than your feelings. Sports are the 1 thing that keeps kids engaged and trans kids are more likely than other kids to have problems. So why take away the 1 thing that can help them??
But the issue here isn't "allowing trans people to play sports." The issue is allowing male people in female sports.
I'm not advocating that "trans people" of either sex be excluded from sports or treated unfairly in any way. I simply think male people should be excluded from female sports
In my view, the exclusion of male people from the female category of sport - and from spaces & services meant to be female-only - should apply across the board to all male people. All male people regardless of the opposite-sex "gender identities" and other unusual qualities that some males might have, or claim to have, that you believe entitles them to special privileged access to female sports and spaces that no other males get.
In teling me that "allowing [male] trans people to play [female] sports are more important than your feelings," you've said the quiet part out loud. But even so, you've not framed your position honestly.
You're not arguing that the rights of "trans people" across the board to play sports are more important than my feelings and the feelings of other members of my sex. You're arguing that male people who wish to be and claim they are girls/women are more important than all the female people on earth who actually are girls/women.
Also, I don't believe for a minute your claim that all your life you've been making personal sacrifices and putting up with unfairness so that "a woman or a minority or a gay person or even a vet will get preference" over you because you're "willing to accept that for the greater good." That sounds like a bunch of self-aggrandizing baloney to me.
But even if it is true that all of your life you've been nobly stepping aside, taking the back seat and willingly withstanding blatantly unfair treatment so as to insure that members of other historically less favored groups get preference over you, that's not what's going on here.
You're not offering to give up your own right to fairness and safety in sports in order to help out a group you perceive as downtrodden. You're telling girls and women that we, and we alone, must be forced to forfeit fairness and safety in sports - and generally take it on the chin - for the sake of males. All so you can pat yourself on the back and tell yourself what a good, generous, stand-up guy you are.
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All the girls and women participating in all the types and levels of track & field events that aren't elite international events and thus aren't subject to WA governance - such as high school and middle school sports in the USA - should just put up with the unfairness of males continuing to use gender identity claims to horn in on the female category?
Why? Please spell out the reasons why women and girls should put up with any males in female track & field at any levels.
As a straight white man, I know that in certain areas -a women or a minority or gay person or even a vet will get preference over me. But you know what, I am willing to accept that for the greater good. It means that people have more opportunities. I am quite sure than 99% of girls who will NEVER have to deal with this are going to be okay. And to the 1%, I'm sorry, I really am. (just as I am sorry for every HS girl in CO who has to race Addy Ritz every week). It sucks for you but allowing trans people to play sports are more important than your feelings. Sports are the 1 thing that keeps kids engaged and trans kids are more likely than other kids to have problems. So why take away the 1 thing that can help them??
Please stop trotting out abused children like poor Becky Pepper Jackson to support your misogynistic crusade against girls & women being able to have sports and certain spaces & services that exclude males.
Just because you and others with regressively sexist ideas consider males like BPJ "too girly" and not masculine enough to be worthy of inclusion, acceptance, welcome and kind treatment in male sports & spaces doesn't mean it's fair or right to keep trying to shoehorn Becky and other boys like him into female sports & spaces.
Nor does it justify gaslighting this poor kid and the world into believing that just because BPJ and other boys like him have a preference for pink, long tresses and hair bows, it means they are really girls and they need to be given sterilizing, castrating hormones and surgeries to make up for supposedly having been "born in the wrong body."
But the issue is not whether boys want to accept Becky as one of their own. The issue is whether Becky wants to be accepted as one of the boys. She does not. She wants to be accepted as a girl. And most girls (except for those with rightwing "religious" parents) are willing to accept Becky as one of the girls.
And Becky does not want to live as a girl so that she can grow her hair and wear pink dresses. That's taking the cause and effect entirely upside down. She wants to grow her hair and wear pink dresses because she wants to be treated as a girl. That's her way of saying "please accept me as a girl." Once she is accepted as a girl, clothes become less important. She might occasionally want to wear a pink dress, but she doesn't have the need for that all the time. Wearing girl's clothes for the first time must have been very exciting for her, because that had been prohibited. But once she gets used to it, it becomes less important.
And trans women / girls are ridiculed to death if their gender expression is not female. And if their gender expression is "too feminine" they get ridiculed for "mocking women." They are in a no-win situation.
This is old news, can the right wing find something else to complain about! Oh yeah in Florida it's being taught that slavery was a positive experience for the slaves!
It's not just "the right wing." In this forum alone several people claiming to be Democrats or Liberals have indicated that they agree with "the right wing" about this insanity. And that's a sentiment expressed quite abundantly elsewhere.
I'm unsure why you are so dismissive about the complaints. It is strange that when people with a mental disorder - a dysphoria - insist on being recognized for something which by nearly all familiar measures they are not, you express anger at the people not affirming these delusions.
"just deny who you are to fit into society but you make me feel uncomfortable"
eff you Rojo
Dexter exudes the "If you disagree with me, you must be a bigot" mentality. No explanation other than bigotry can account for a view contrary to Dexter's regarding inclusion and identity.
This is old news, can the right wing find something else to complain about! Oh yeah in Florida it's being taught that slavery was a positive experience for the slaves!
It's not just "the right wing." In this forum alone several people claiming to be Democrats or Liberals have indicated that they agree with "the right wing" about this insanity. And that's a sentiment expressed quite abundantly elsewhere.
I'm unsure why you are so dismissive about the complaints. It is strange that when people with a mental disorder - a dysphoria - insist on being recognized for something which by nearly all familiar measures they are not, you express anger at the people not affirming these delusions.
Please educate yourself.
Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.
It's true that some transphobes here claim to be "liberal" or "Democrats." But their essentialist ideology is consistent with the basic characteristics of conservatism.
They are intolerant of ambiguity. (A common trait of conservative people.) Everything has to be clear black and white with no shades of gray. So every person has to be male or female and there has to a simple way to separate the two.
They are hostile to unknowns. Anything they don't understand causes serious anxiety. So they try to dismiss and erase it from existence. (Xenophobia is a perfect example of this.) They don't understand why trans people are experiencing their gender incongruence. Therefore, they try to dismiss it as delusion, and their identity as fake.
They define every human with their reproductive function. The most important reason we exist is so that we can procreate. That's why medical transition is considered evil. In their view, making a person infertile is the worst thing anyone can do to another human, other than murder.
It's true that some transphobes here claim to be "liberal" or "Democrats." But their essentialist ideology is consistent with the basic characteristics of conservatism.
They are intolerant of ambiguity. (A common trait of conservative people.) Everything has to be clear black and white with no shades of gray. So every person has to be male or female and there has to a simple way to separate the two.
They are hostile to unknowns. Anything they don't understand causes serious anxiety. So they try to dismiss and erase it from existence. (Xenophobia is a perfect example of this.) They don't understand why trans people are experiencing their gender incongruence. Therefore, they try to dismiss it as delusion, and their identity as fake.
They define every human with their reproductive function. The most important reason we exist is so that we can procreate. That's why medical transition is considered evil. In their view, making a person infertile is the worst thing anyone can do to another human, other than murder.
I'm one of those liberal Democrats you deride. I agree with you that intolerance of ambiguity is a trait of conservatives. I am personally fine with ambiguity, including sexual and gender ambiguity, and I know that those are not the same thing. However, the sports world IS binary: male and female, divided by sex. Perhaps there should be additional categories, similar to how it is done in the paralympics. But as long as the there are 2 and only 2 distince categories M/F in sports, then I believe that trans people should compete in the category of their birth sex.
It's true that some transphobes here claim to be "liberal" or "Democrats." But their essentialist ideology is consistent with the basic characteristics of conservatism.
They are intolerant of ambiguity. (A common trait of conservative people.) Everything has to be clear black and white with no shades of gray. So every person has to be male or female and there has to a simple way to separate the two.
They are hostile to unknowns. Anything they don't understand causes serious anxiety. So they try to dismiss and erase it from existence. (Xenophobia is a perfect example of this.) They don't understand why trans people are experiencing their gender incongruence. Therefore, they try to dismiss it as delusion, and their identity as fake.
They define every human with their reproductive function. The most important reason we exist is so that we can procreate. That's why medical transition is considered evil. In their view, making a person infertile is the worst thing anyone can do to another human, other than murder.
Oh, the irony! You accuse us of being uncomfortable with ambiguity, yet you sort people into outdated political categories and deem those you disagree with ignorant and immoral. The reason why some "liberals" (left-leaning) and Democrats agree with some conservatives on this issue is that they are united by philosophical liberalism.
We believe that there is a natural world out there that can be understood through democratic processes, such as the scientific method and rational debate. We refuse knowledge-seeking methods that grant some people special authority over the truth and those that attempt to quash debate through brute force or public shaming. The gender theories you advance are rooted in principles antithetical to philosophical liberalism. They argue that some people have special insights about the world due to their social position and demand that all other people comply with these insights or risk losing their jobs or reputation.
You're not offering to give up your own right to fairness and safety in sports in order to help out a group you perceive as downtrodden. You're telling girls and women that we, and we alone, must be forced to forfeit fairness and safety in sports - and generally take it on the chin - for the sake of males. All so you can pat yourself on the back and tell yourself what a good, generous, stand-up guy you are.
That sounds idiotic honey. Those women in question identify as women. There is nothing they want from men’s sports. They want to run as the women they are. How the heck do you suggest men give up “your own right to fairness and safety to help.. downtrodden”?
Why do you keep yelling at men like you have a point? You don’t, except misandry that is, which is irrelevant to the subject matter.
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