J Ingrebrigtsen, 1500m Olympic champ refuses to split 800m in 1:48.xx or 1:49.xx, 1500m record attempts in order to give himself a mathematical possibility of 1500m w.r.
The way J I races 1500m with paid pacers with pace lights is proof 1500m and shorter distances are more impressive world records.
4:43.13 is most impressive. Its laughably fast, really. 1307 points.
Paid pacers have been a part of record running since i began watching track in the 70s. Nothing new here. Just a better runner. It happens. No one stays the best forever.
worth 1307 points and is higher ranked than every distance record from 800m-half marathon. IAAF gives equivalent times of 1:40.75/3:25.71/3.42.03/7:19.54/12:34.08/26:10.67/57:19.
Is this the most impressive male mid d/distance record or does IAAF unfairly compensate this event?
Jakob can’t get the 1500m. And most likely can’t get the 5k. His in between times aren’t better than those times.
Actually, his 2000 and 2mile are better than the other marks.. He will add the 3000 mark next year. He will likely run 12:35 at some point as well. The guy is peerless.
J Ingrebrigtsen, 1500m Olympic champ refuses to split 800m in 1:48.xx or 1:49.xx, 1500m record attempts in order to give himself a mathematical possibility of 1500m w.r.
The way J I races 1500m with paid pacers with pace lights is proof 1500m and shorter distances are more impressive world records.
Regardless of which record is stronger this is terrible logic. Obviously, Ingebrigtsen could be relatively better at 2k compared with all of history’s great runners than he is at 1500–and it stands to reason that he would be as a 2x 5k World Champ. What you’ve done is akin to asserting that Cheptegei’s WRs are obviously weaker than 3:26.00 because Cheptegei can’t run 3:26, only less extreme.
As an aside, 1:48/1:49 through 800 isn’t required to make the 1500 WR “mathematically possible,” since 3:26.00 is 1:49.87 pace and El Guerrouj didn’t split sub-1:50 through 800 in the WR…
I'll give Jacob credit for breaking the world record in the 2000 meters. A job well done.
Not many people run that distance so when he breaks a mainstream event like the 1500, 3000, 5000 or even 10,000 meters where it is contested regularly, I will be impressed.
worth 1307 points and is higher ranked than every distance record from 800m-half marathon. IAAF gives equivalent times of 1:40.75/3:25.71/3.42.03/7:19.54/12:34.08/26:10.67/57:19.
Is this the most impressive male mid d/distance record or does IAAF unfairly compensate this event?
Got to think the 1500m or mile WR is a real possibility
LMAO, he's only 22 and still people doubt him and are placing limitations on him. We'll see in three years. We'll see when he become like the fictional character in the Movie The natural, who wanted to break every record in the books. Except Jakob is real and has already stated in an interview that when his career is over he wants to be known as the best distance runner ever! It will be nice to look back years from now at what he accomplished!
LMAO, he's only 22 and still people doubt him and are placing limitations on him. We'll see in three years. We'll see when he become like the fictional character in the Movie The natural, who wanted to break every record in the books. Except Jakob is real and has already stated in an interview that when his career is over he wants to be known as the best distance runner ever! It will be nice to look back years from now at what he accomplished!
I'll give Jacob credit for breaking the world record in the 2000 meters. A job well done.
Not many people run that distance so when he breaks a mainstream event like the 1500, 3000, 5000 or even 10,000 meters where it is contested regularly, I will be impressed.
Of course you're not "impressed". But you would have been impressed if Aregawi or some shyt ran the 2000m record. You're part of that insufferable clan. But everyone already knows Jakob was what, third all time in the 3000? And that was en route. Not to mention he owns one of the all time best runs in the 1500 and beats 12:40, 12:35 runners in the 5000 as if they're high schoolers. Kid is a once in a lifetime phenom
It's impressive for sure. What is the basis for those points, though? How are the values calculated? If you had to point to a particular part of the WA scoring tables and say "yeah, this part is the one I have least confidence in", wouldn't it be the very high end, world-record-and-above territory, due to lower sample sizes?
Simple answer, the genus of the the current tables came from this dude.
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World Athletics updated them last year I believe. The simple answer as to the basis of the numbers? - this dudes arbitrary formula. Stepping back it's pretty impressive - to be able to rank performances down to the hundreth of a second. Why do they even exist when a time in itself can function as a "score" within an event? I guess there was just some interest in how events compare to each other, who is the "best" athlete irrespective of event and then later it was used as a function to actually figure out what meetings were the best (combining all event scores across the full meet) which dictated schedule choice/TV time slots.
There are obvious limitations with the scoring system - things that can't simply be taken into account, which is why honestly we should kind of view the numbers as an indicator and not a finite judge of performances. Here is a simple example. Say the 100m WR get's set at meet and has a legal 2.0 m/s wind and has a score of "1500" (I'm just using that number with no basis) At the same meet the 400m WR get's set and has a score of "1499". As per the scoring system the 100m is superior right? But does it take into account that the 400m runner had to at some point run at least 100m into the same wind that was only an aid to the 100m runner and at no point a hinderance?
Now we are comparing not just across distances but across eras and innovation in the sport has had impacts that are almost impossible to quantify. 20 years ago if I looked at the 1500m, mile, 2000m and 3000m and the question was "rank them from hardest record to break to easiest" it would have taken me 5 seconds to come up with my answer which was 3k, 2k, mile, 1500m. That 3000m was such an unfathomable record and nobody had really even been close to it - ever. As of Friday morning my answer would have been almost the complete opposite - 1500m, mile, 3000m, 2000m. Yes we have a generational talent in Jakob but he also is benefitting massively from innovation in the sport that has a greater impact the longer you run. It's taking a lot of the nuances of record breaking - especially in longer distances out of the equation. Look at the lap splits from Cheptegeis 5 and 10km records. I mean he's running 12.5-25 laps without more than a second variation per lap! Last night the pace in the 2000m was updated to 57.0 a lap for the lead light and check out the race replay - Jakob crosses 1600m in 3.48.0! 20-30 years ago the importance of things like even paced running were known but I don't think anyone really understood how much of a difference it made and even if you did, you relied on either yourself or a pacemaker to execute it which was just too difficult.
Anyways, the bottom line is that we shouldn't read into these numbers that much and come to definitive conclusions. The scoring system is limited in that it can't and doesn't take into account real life nuance and variables that make the sport great and have also helped it evolve.
I'll give Jacob credit for breaking the world record in the 2000 meters. A job well done.
Not many people run that distance so when he breaks a mainstream event like the 1500, 3000, 5000 or even 10,000 meters where it is contested regularly, I will be impressed.
Of course you're not "impressed". But you would have been impressed if Aregawi or some shyt ran the 2000m record. You're part of that insufferable clan. But everyone already knows Jakob was what, third all time in the 3000? And that was en route. Not to mention he owns one of the all time best runs in the 1500 and beats 12:40, 12:35 runners in the 5000 as if they're high schoolers. Kid is a once in a lifetime phenom
No you go it all wrong. I would not be impressed by Aregawi or anyone else. I will be impressed when he goes after the records that are races regularly. He talks a lot of smack but he only goes after the weak records that isn't run regularly. He reminds me of Mo Farah, Good runner but cannot break the records of the distances that are regularly run. He should be able to break the 3000 meters but until he does I'm not impressed. He is not a once in a lifetime phenom. Bekele, Hailey are phenoms who raised the standards. Kipchoge is a phenom in the marathon, Jacob hasn't earned that level yet. Gabe broke world records on many occasions. Bekele XC races were phenomenal as well as on the track and broke the 5000 and 10000 meter world records, multiple world and Olympic gold medals. Kipchoge set the bar for marathoning. That is phenomenal talent on a world stage. Jacob still has time to make his mark but he is not there yet if he makes it and that is the cold hard truth.
Of course you're not "impressed". But you would have been impressed if Aregawi or some shyt ran the 2000m record. You're part of that insufferable clan. But everyone already knows Jakob was what, third all time in the 3000? And that was en route. Not to mention he owns one of the all time best runs in the 1500 and beats 12:40, 12:35 runners in the 5000 as if they're high schoolers. Kid is a once in a lifetime phenom
No you go it all wrong. I would not be impressed by Aregawi or anyone else. I will be impressed when he goes after the records that are races regularly. He talks a lot of smack but he only goes after the weak records that isn't run regularly. He reminds me of Mo Farah, Good runner but cannot break the records of the distances that are regularly run. He should be able to break the 3000 meters but until he does I'm not impressed. He is not a once in a lifetime phenom. Bekele, Hailey are phenoms who raised the standards. Kipchoge is a phenom in the marathon, Jacob hasn't earned that level yet. Gabe broke world records on many occasions. Bekele XC races were phenomenal as well as on the track and broke the 5000 and 10000 meter world records, multiple world and Olympic gold medals. Kipchoge set the bar for marathoning. That is phenomenal talent on a world stage. Jacob still has time to make his mark but he is not there yet if he makes it and that is the cold hard truth.
Really don't understand this "not raced regularly" nonsense. Fine. Tell me which runner in the last 20 years would have broken this record were the distanced raced regularly?
Jakob can’t get the 1500m. And most likely can’t get the 5k. His in between times aren’t better than those times.
Actually, his 2000 and 2mile are better than the other marks.. He will add the 3000 mark next year. He will likely run 12:35 at some point as well. The guy is peerless.
You missed the entire point.
His 2k and 2 mile are not more impressive. They are just harder to score.
Wake me up when Jakob runs 3:25 or 12:34 - events contested every week.
The two mile and 2000 meters are not contested regular so some of the best runners do not run the events. It's good he broke the records and I'll give him credit but they are not as strong as the 1500, 3000, and 5,000.
The two mile and 2000 meters are not contested regular so some of the best runners do not run the events. It's good he broke the records and I'll give him credit but they are not as strong as the 1500, 3000, and 5,000.
In his 7:54 2-mile (3218 meters), Jakob split his last 3k in 7:21 and you'd have us believe it's weaker than the 7:20?
LMAO, he's only 22 and still people doubt him and are placing limitations on him. We'll see in three years. We'll see when he become like the fictional character in the Movie The natural, who wanted to break every record in the books. Except Jakob is real and has already stated in an interview that when his career is over he wants to be known as the best distance runner ever! It will be nice to look back years from now at what he accomplished!
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Good post, dolt - I see your reasoning is improving fast.
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