Should Wiley run the 800m or 1500m at Olympic trials?

You mean another poster named Astro, who is you using a different screen name. How many screen names do you have to get around your Astro screen name getting banned?

The astro has at least several other nicknames on this thread.

I think she should emphasize the 800. None of the Americans besides Mu are exceptional. Wiley's kick looks great at 800 but very ordinary at 1500. That was evident long before today.

There are 3 great international women at 800, but only 3. Welteji and Chepchirchir were 800 specialists a year ago today. Now they have abandoned the race in favor of the 1500. It means the talent pool is now lopsided in favor of the 1500, especially since Hassan reentered.

Wiley would need a calamity to be a 1500 medal contender, a wipe out on the final lap that takes down a half dozen or more. At 800 the variables are far less numerous and complicated. She would need an injury or illness or poor form among at least one of the top three, combined with none of the youngsters like Rose or Werro or Willis, etc. making a huge leap forward. Nobody is scared of Raevyn Rogers or Jemma Reekie

She needs to get away from her old coaches if she wants to escape the spectre of their doping scandal, plain and simple. Find a coach with a good reputation that has a similar approach to 1500m training, sans the history of loading up teenagers with PEDs and sleeping with them. Until then she is radioactive, regardless of whether she engaged in the doping or not.

AW is not cheating but there are plenty of other women who are. Many were in the 3:59 race AW just ran.
She is doing well. She seems to be a slower starter in the 800 so that means she has to be good at passing traffic on the 2nd lap.

Why are people talking about her kick? She's 19 in her first big Euro race and ran a PR collegiate 'all seasons' record and even scored a dl point.

We all know that a 'slow' runners best chance to win a race is to go hard from the gun to take 'the kick out of the competitors'. Well quite simply for Wiley the race was just so fast it 'took the kick out of her.'

She's shown a kick in slower races and has used a variety of tactics. There's no difference in her ability to kick at 800 v 1500. She's fine, what do you guys expect?

Why would you say that AW’s not cheating, but plenty of other women in the same race are? Based on what?

This type of thinking (gut instinct) has put so many people on death row, only to be overtured with DNA testing (science).

By obvious you mean lots of people including you saw her inject from a bottle labelled EPO?

Or perhaps you mean 'LR obvious' ie the usual LR trolling/online bullying especially directed at teenage girls?

I am not sure anyone is almost a lock at 1500m. We have like a dozen woman in that 3:58-4:02 range who are all within 1 good training block of making the team.

You would expect her to keep improving but some times people stall out/regress for a couple years.

Nationally, she would place higher in the 1500m, with a very real chance of winning next year's Olympic trials. I think it would be hard for her to make the U.S. 800m women's team, though, as it is perhaps the strongest 800m team in the world.

Internationally, she would place higher in the 800m. The 1500m is stacked right now and she would need to run something outside her capabilities (e.g. 3:53) to make top 3 or 4 at the Olympics. But a low 1:57 could be enough to sneak a bronze on the right day and that is within the range of possible for her.

I think Wiley can be the next Mu. Her talent and dedication are there. She was 9th at Worlds at the very tail end of her season: imagine what she could run fresh.

I am very impressed with how Wiley ran this season. In terms of competing, she absolutely showed that she is NOT in any way a head case.

Yes, there will always be a cloud of suspicion. There is for everyone who runs well, and 2X the suspicion for some peeps (and she is on this list). As long as she doesn't fail a test, she is allowed to compete.

Regardless if she has been clean or dirty, 99.9999% would not have been able to handle the acrimony she's received online. I am sure she is aware of it. She clearly doesn't GAF about online haters, and I admire that trait.

I think she could make it in either event, and her recent performances point to the 8 more than the 15. Longterm, though, I think she is a pure 1500 runner.

Hi Astro, I am aware of your position on Wiley, but thanks for reiterating!

I think it's possible the dopers very well could GAF sometimes about their reputation. If a clean athlete is sent through the public mill, should they always give up, give in, or do what anonymous people (who are not for them) wants them to do? I would say no. Sometimes, having integrity would require taking a reputational hit. I don't claim to know either way with Wiley, but I think your definitive statements about what you don't know are not helpful towards your arguments.

Yes, the testing is always behind. And, yes, I can see why people would be suspicious (as I already said), but that isn't enough to claim 100% guilt. You may call that clueless or brain damaged on my part (which ironically is ad hominem, one of the lowest forms of argument) , but I think that allowing oneself to possibly be wrong later in order to give possibly innocent people the benefit of the doubt is a virtue.

We'll see where she goes from here, and that's fun. Have a great day!

So this is starting up again. Even ROJO previously told a poster it was embarrassing to compare Wiley to Mu. That comment was made even before Mu won at Prefontaine and ran 1:54 and broke her own American record.

How many Olympic and World medals and American records does Wiley have? Mu won Olympic gold medals in the 800 and with the fastest split of anyone in the field in the 4x4, only a month after she turned 19, so no more about Wiley’s age either please.

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