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2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:24am EDT

re: mattioco

mattioco wrote:
Really interesting to hear Jakob talk like this, albeit not that surprising.
On the one hand, given what Jakob did this year and assuming he was sick this week (which by all accounts it seems like he was), it's probably an accurate assessment of what happened. Jakob had to be less than 100% for someone else to win, and Kerr was the next-best.
On the other hand you should show some respect to your competitors. (Of all the people for this to be said to though, it's fitting its Josh Kerr.)
This is now back-to-back losses at Worlds in the 1500 for Jakob. Is this supremely confident self-talk part of what makes him so good? He's not even willing to consider the possibility that someone could have beat him at his best.
Link is timestamped to relevant Q&A.
Video:youtu.be/zmlS-M9vXiM?t=599

I have noe idea why people think that holding grudges against athletes beating him is a noble thing to do.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:25am EDT

re: theRanMan

theRanMan wrote:
peekay wrote:
I can see why one could feel that way.
I actually love his attitude. I think some of the “cockiness” is the language/cultural barrier. But what is great is that his goal is to get the best out of himself. Rather than focus purely on things he can’t control (like how fast the others race), he just wants to be the best he can be.
If he wins 15/5k gold next year (which of course he may not), this attitude will keep him going beyond that, doing great things.
I do not agree. No cultural barrier here. He just comes off extremely arrogant. Fine to focus on yourself but at least show some appreciation of other people after a race. Katir went over to him to say thanks for the race and Jakob barely acknowledged him. For me that is arrogance.

Or he is just shocked/tired/happy? After the 1500 heats he went to Cheruiyot twice after the race.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:29am EDT

re: my two pennies

my two pennies wrote:
Wasn’t this the exact same result as last year? Both 1500 and 5000 he ran nearly identical times and nearly identical races for identical places. Idk if I can really buy the illness story if he ran at an identical level to the previous year. If something happens once, maybe it’s a fluke. If something happens twice, maybe it’s the truth.

He did not claim illness for losing the WC outdoor 1500 final in 2022. He said he screwed up.

He did claim illness in losing the indoor 1500 WC final last year

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:32am EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
my two pennies wrote:
Wasn’t this the exact same result as last year? Both 1500 and 5000 he ran nearly identical times and nearly identical races for identical places. Idk if I can really buy the illness story if he ran at an identical level to the previous year. If something happens once, maybe it’s a fluke. If something happens twice, maybe it’s the truth.
He did not claim illness for losing the WC outdoor 1500 final in 2022. He said he screwed up.
He did claim illness in losing the indoor 1500 WC final last year

The poster you’re replying to never said he claimed illness in 2022.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:32am EDT

re: Newname

Given Jakob ran 3:27 and 7:54 this year, I think it's not a lie that Jakob was maybe only 85%-90% with his illness. That should tell you how good the guy is that you need him to be sick and even then you'll just barely beat him.

I do think all WR attempts are probably off the table for this year. That 2000m record might have to wait until Brussells 2024 (where it was last broken).

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:33am EDT

re: LarsL11

LarsL11 wrote:
theRanMan wrote:
I do not agree. No cultural barrier here. He just comes off extremely arrogant. Fine to focus on yourself but at least show some appreciation of other people after a race. Katir went over to him to say thanks for the race and Jakob barely acknowledged him. For me that is arrogance.
Or he is just shocked/tired/happy? After the 1500 heats he went to Cheruiyot twice after the race.

Could be :)

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:49am EDT

re: peekay

peekay wrote:
theRanMan wrote:
I liked Jakob, but he seems to be getting more and more arrogant. Even when he won the 5000m he had an awful attitude. And yes this is based on a very short clip of him and probably quite superficial.
I can see why one could feel that way.
I actually love his attitude. I think some of the “cockiness” is the language/cultural barrier. But what is great is that his goal is to get the best out of himself. Rather than focus purely on things he can’t control (like how fast the others race), he just wants to be the best he can be.
If he wins 15/5k gold next year (which of course he may not), this attitude will keep him going beyond that, doing great things.

I love the impact he's having on the sport - white guys can also dominate, and you want to watch more now whether you root for him to win or lose. With that said, I also love to see an arrogant person fall into holes they dig for themselves. He attracts all sorts of attention with his bravado and refusal to acknowledge others' accomplishments. Whitman and Kerr ran him down when it most counted. Who would pick Jakob as favorite in another 1500 WC final? His stock definitely went down in 1500 championship racing. Now the stakes are even higher for him to win 1500 gold in Paris. The pressure there could be so much less if he wasn't such a cocky b@stard. I'll keep watching.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:52am EDT

re: Dudewhat?

Dudewhat? wrote:
Given Jakob ran 3:27 and 7:54 this year, I think it's not a lie that Jakob was maybe only 85%-90% with his illness. That should tell you how good the guy is that you need him to be sick and even then you'll just barely beat him.
I do think all WR attempts are probably off the table for this year. That 2000m record might have to wait until Brussells 2024 (where it was last broken).

85-90% would not be sufficient for him to run that well in the 1500 and the 5k. We would have heard about this illness before the final. Dude was tired AF from racing all week and just wanted to save face aftee the self imposed humiliation.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:53am EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
my two pennies wrote:
Wasn’t this the exact same result as last year? Both 1500 and 5000 he ran nearly identical times and nearly identical races for identical places. Idk if I can really buy the illness story if he ran at an identical level to the previous year. If something happens once, maybe it’s a fluke. If something happens twice, maybe it’s the truth.
He did not claim illness for losing the WC outdoor 1500 final in 2022. He said he screwed up.
He did claim illness in losing the indoor 1500 WC final last year

He screwed up again and didn't want to admit it because he's cocky. That's a much more logical explanation.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:54am EDT

re: LarsL11

LarsL11 wrote:
theRanMan wrote:
I do not agree. No cultural barrier here. He just comes off extremely arrogant. Fine to focus on yourself but at least show some appreciation of other people after a race. Katir went over to him to say thanks for the race and Jakob barely acknowledged him. For me that is arrogance.
Or he is just shocked/tired/happy? After the 1500 heats he went to Cheruiyot twice after the race.

He wasn't a sore loser yet after the heats.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:55am EDT

re: imnsho

how is he the best 1500m runner in the WORLD if he lost the last 2 WORLD championships lmaoo

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:57am EDT

re: mattioco

Call it arrogance, the mind of a winner or whatever you want.

But I watched the interview and I understand what he was saying. He acknowledged he lost, but was making the point that it makes no sense to target only a single other athlete as his "man to beat." Why focus on Kerr when there may be someone faster than him, or both of them, next month or year? The names may change, but he knows there will always be someone chomping at his heels to pass him.

All he can do is focus on himself, his own training and doing his best (this applies to all of us). He views himself in first place, at the end of each race. That's his goal. If he falls off, for whatever reason, there's always someone that will step into first. It makes no sense to "target Kerr" and forget about the fact that there are about a dozen other people spending every waking moment to run faster than him and Kerr, and anyone else who's good enough to have a chance.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 9:58am EDT

re: theRanMan

theRanMan wrote:
peekay wrote:
I can see why one could feel that way.
I actually love his attitude. I think some of the “cockiness” is the language/cultural barrier. But what is great is that his goal is to get the best out of himself. Rather than focus purely on things he can’t control (like how fast the others race), he just wants to be the best he can be.
If he wins 15/5k gold next year (which of course he may not), this attitude will keep him going beyond that, doing great things.
I do not agree. No cultural barrier here. He just comes off extremely arrogant. Fine to focus on yourself but at least show some appreciation of other people after a race. Katir went over to him to say thanks for the race and Jakob barely acknowledged him. For me that is arrogance.

This is pretty simple - believe a person's words and behavior.. he's a narcissist and he doesn't hide it. Why are fanboys trying to downplay that? I like him for his competitiveness and the attention he's bringing to the sport, but watching him lose is so sweet because of his unfiltered arrogance. Can't blame me for that.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:02am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Newname wrote:
He did not claim illness for losing the WC outdoor 1500 final in 2022. He said he screwed up.
He did claim illness in losing the indoor 1500 WC final last year
He screwed up again and didn't want to admit it because he's cocky. That's a much more logical explanation.

Having watched every race Jakob has run this year, it was obvious that something was off with him physically in Budapest. It was not simply his performances, but the way his face looked, his breathing, sweating, etc. This was true both in his defeat in the 1500 and victory in the 5000. He’s not making an excuse when he says he’s ill, just telling the truth. Now, of course, maybe a healthy Jakob would have lost the 1500, we will never know. Also, you could argue a GREAT champion would not say he was ill even if true, so as not to appear to make an excuse and to not undermine his competitors. That’s a fair critique.

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2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:03am EDT

re: GettingFasterDude

GettingFasterDude wrote:
Call it arrogance, the mind of a winner or whatever you want.
But I watched the interview and I understand what he was saying. He acknowledged he lost, but was making the point that it makes no sense to target only a single other athlete as his "man to beat." Why focus on Kerr when there may be someone faster than him, or both of them, next month or year? The names may change, but he knows there will always be someone chomping at his heels to pass him.
All he can do is focus on himself, his own training and doing his best (this applies to all of us). He views himself in first place, at the end of each race. That's his goal. If he falls off, for whatever reason, there's always someone that will step into first. It makes no sense to "target Kerr" and forget about the fact that there are about a dozen other people spending every waking moment to run faster than him and Kerr, and anyone else who's good enough to have a chance.

Did they use the word "target"? I think this is all simply about acknowledging the winner was better. You are a sore loser if you don't directly do that and you use any other excuse to justify why you lost. It's one thing if Kerr came out and said Jakob is the better athlete and he didn't think he looked so good out there.. it's another for Jakob to steal the winner's spotlight with self pity. He's a narcissist and can't accept being beaten. I still like him as a runner and competitor, but the guy is not humble and thus it gives me pleasure to see him lose.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:04am EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
Dudewhat? wrote:
Given Jakob ran 3:27 and 7:54 this year, I think it's not a lie that Jakob was maybe only 85%-90% with his illness. That should tell you how good the guy is that you need him to be sick and even then you'll just barely beat him.
I do think all WR attempts are probably off the table for this year. That 2000m record might have to wait until Brussells 2024 (where it was last broken).
85-90% would not be sufficient for him to run that well in the 1500 and the 5k. We would have heard about this illness before the final. Dude was tired AF from racing all week and just wanted to save face aftee the self imposed humiliation.

it’s fascinating how you seem to know more about jakob than he knows about himself 🤡

2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:09am EDT

re: Wise Old Man

Wise Old Man wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
He screwed up again and didn't want to admit it because he's cocky. That's a much more logical explanation.
Having watched every race Jakob has run this year, it was obvious that something was off with him physically in Budapest. It was not simply his performances, but the way his face looked, his breathing, sweating, etc. This was true both in his defeat in the 1500 and victory in the 5000. He’s not making an excuse when he says he’s ill, just telling the truth. Now, of course, maybe a healthy Jakob would have lost the 1500, we will never know. Also, you could argue a GREAT champion would not say he was ill even if true, so as not to appear to make an excuse and to not undermine his competitors. That’s a fair critique.

How do you know? I was there in person and saw him come out to the stadium looking pretty good, doing his pre-race sprints etc. I saw no difference. Usually if you have some material illness you see the team doctor and figure it out. When did we hear about this illness and who said it? You guys don't even bother to consider the alternative.

There are a number of reasons he could have been off but not ill. I agree btw he didn't look normal, but I 100% believe it was the nerves and anxiety from having lost at last WC. And the worst happened, made the same mistakes and got beaten by another Brit... so no $hit the last thing he's going to do is admit it.

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2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:10am EDT

re: asldfjsakld

asldfjsakld wrote:
how is he the best 1500m runner in the WORLD if he lost the last 2 WORLD championships lmaoo

You don’t have to be perfect to be the best.

2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:13am EDT

re: Makes Paper

Makes Paper wrote:
asldfjsakld wrote:
how is he the best 1500m runner in the WORLD if he lost the last 2 WORLD championships lmaoo
You don’t have to be perfect to be the best.

That not imperfection, these are literally the only races you get remembered for besides Olympics and WRs

2 years ago 08/28/2023 10:16am EDT

re: EvilRunner

EvilRunner wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
85-90% would not be sufficient for him to run that well in the 1500 and the 5k. We would have heard about this illness before the final. Dude was tired AF from racing all week and just wanted to save face aftee the self imposed humiliation.
it’s fascinating how you seem to know more about jakob than he knows about himself 🤡

I know he's a narcissist, so it explains most things. He also doesn't have a good track record of winning in rabbit-less races, so you are delusional to think he could still do that well with a 10-15% decline in his health. What justifies that?

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