Your thread title makes zero sense based on what he said. Is he only going to toe the line if all the other runners are idiots? It should just say “Jakob will toe the start line tmw in the 1500 heats with idiots”
Actually the title DOES make sense, especially if you used a comma: Jakob will toe the start line tomorrow, assuming all the other runners are idiots. You are getting confused as to who is doing the assuming. If Jakob is doing the assuming, which is the meaning attended, then his toeing of the line is not contingent on whether they are idiots or not. Jakob is correct that humans make mistakes BUT and that all are imperfect in execution, but his arrogance is interesting as it seems he is simply pointing out how flawed everyone is compared to the ideal.
Somehow both of you came up with sentences that do a worse job of conveying the meaning than rojo’s (which was actually quite easy to understand).
Actually the title DOES make sense, especially if you used a comma: Jakob will toe the start line tomorrow, assuming all the other runners are idiots. You are getting confused as to who is doing the assuming. If Jakob is doing the assuming, which is the meaning attended, then his toeing of the line is not contingent on whether they are idiots or not. Jakob is correct that humans make mistakes BUT and that all are imperfect in execution, but his arrogance is interesting as it seems he is simply pointing out how flawed everyone is compared to the ideal.
Somehow both of you came up with sentences that do a worse job of conveying the meaning than rojo’s (which was actually quite easy to understand).
Well maybe so but I wouldn’t have used the sentence. I would have written: Jakob Purportedly Believes His Competitors are Idiots. Most of us already knew he was competing this weekend.
Translating this for rojo (not the actual text but the intention):
From what I read in Norwegian (but also from the English translation tbh), the main point is not that everyone else is an idiot but that Jakob needs to be prepared that people do stupid things. He cannot blame it on others if things go wrong because he knows beforehand that these will happen: People may fall, cut in, destroy their own race by surging too hard or too early—whatever happens, Jakob needs to handle this and not destroy his own race just because other runners do stupid things.
Two or three years ago Jakob was an apprentice, now he is a master.
I don't see anyone to contest him this year and he can get it in 3:30 if he is in the same shape as shown a mon ago.
The best contester
- Katir and Neguse seem in the same category.
Katir being more potent but I'm afraid chances he is going to disappoint for being past his peak.
Nuguse is a WIP vowed to more progress.
Now there are the foxes, typical inconsistent runners like Josh Keer that wait the perfect day to have the right fitness to do their trick.
I really want to believe in T. Cheruiyot but from what I have seen in the last 3 years we are far from the Cheruiyot of 2019.
More importantly I'm awaiting the new revelations that will show up in these championships.
It's the same concept as defensive driving. You assume everybody else is going to screw up (drive like an idiot) and that helps to keep you out of trouble.
It's the same concept as defensive driving. You assume everybody else is going to screw up (drive like an idiot) and that helps to keep you out of trouble.
Yes. There will be a lot of guys exploding in the first 200 of the race running way too fast to establish position that will be completely lost by lap #3. If you’re going to be in the middle of that fray, you’re rolling the dice. Better to get all the way to the front and control it or move steadily after the early chaos and then get to the top 3 in the last lap. Honestly outside of Tefera’s exits, the big guys who’ve struggled most in Rd 1 of the most recent champs are Katir (last year barely landed auto spot) and Kerr (got a time qualifier in ‘21). It is usually the bottom half of the field doing crazy things in round 1.
Translating this for rojo (not the actual text but the intention):
From what I read in Norwegian (but also from the English translation tbh), the main point is not that everyone else is an idiot but that Jakob needs to be prepared that people do stupid things. He cannot blame it on others if things go wrong because he knows beforehand that these will happen: People may fall, cut in, destroy their own race by surging too hard or too early—whatever happens, Jakob needs to handle this and not destroy his own race just because other runners do stupid things.
Basically, he's saying that any of his fellow runners, regardless of their caliber or intelligence, is capable of doing something in the heat of the moment that is erratic/unpredictable/dumb, and so he stays cognizant of this when employing his racing strategy. Wording is a bit weird, but it's a completely logical approach
Reynold Cheruyiot can beat JI in the 1500m race. Him and Katir are very dangerous for Jakob.
I think Reynold is a big talent, but there's really no indication he could beat Jakob in a race at this stage. His greatest strength that we've seen is his acceleration and finish in slower (3:33+) races. He has shown adequate strength to run 3:30-3:32, but that sort of pace has so far deadened his kick/gears meaning he's not much of a threat to Jakob in the sort of fast races we'll see outside of maybe the early rounds.
The Katir one I'd really push against because while he's aerobically really strong he doesn't seem to have the sort of finish/surging abilities that we've seen beat Jakob. He just seems like he can possibly hang with Jakob the longest vs. being the guy who could get by him.
Translating this for rojo (not the actual text but the intention):
From what I read in Norwegian (but also from the English translation tbh), the main point is not that everyone else is an idiot but that Jakob needs to be prepared that people do stupid things. He cannot blame it on others if things go wrong because he knows beforehand that these will happen: People may fall, cut in, destroy their own race by surging too hard or too early—whatever happens, Jakob needs to handle this and not destroy his own race just because other runners do stupid things.
Translating this for rojo (not the actual text but the intention):
From what I read in Norwegian (but also from the English translation tbh), the main point is not that everyone else is an idiot but that Jakob needs to be prepared that people do stupid things. He cannot blame it on others if things go wrong because he knows beforehand that these will happen: People may fall, cut in, destroy their own race by surging too hard or too early—whatever happens, Jakob needs to handle this and not destroy his own race just because other runners do stupid things.
Two or three years ago Jakob was an apprentice, now he is a master.
I don't see anyone to contest him this year and he can get it in 3:30 if he is in the same shape as shown a mon ago.
The best contester
- Katir and Neguse seem in the same category.
Katir being more potent but I'm afraid chances he is going to disappoint for being past his peak.
Nuguse is a WIP vowed to more progress.
Now there are the foxes, typical inconsistent runners like Josh Keer that wait the perfect day to have the right fitness to do their trick.
I really want to believe in T. Cheruiyot but from what I have seen in the last 3 years we are far from the Cheruiyot of 2019.
More importantly I'm awaiting the new revelations that will show up in these championships.
i had to read this 5 times to kinda understand what you were trying to say....
Yes, and the Norwegian interpretation: He assumes that everybody else will run like idiots, so he better stays out of trouble.
Correct. While I think Ingebrigtsen has spoken indecently of competitors before (e.g. after Worlds last year) and shows an inability to commend competitors for good performances, in this case he is just making the point that running your race as if the other runners have poor judgement (are idiots) is a way to avoid a championship-ending event like a fall or stumble.
All you have accomplished -- by assuming that the word 'idiot' in the Norwegian language has the same connotations as the word 'idiot' in the English language -- and by assuming that translation algorithms can render an accurate 1-on-1 meaning without regard to context....
I have been having fun perusing the Norwegian press for articles on Ingebrigtsen and then reading them through translators. There is a good one today that had quotes from Ingebrigtsen outside the team hotel in Budapest.
"If I do it badly, it affects all areas of my life. That's what I've learned the most about, but at the same time, there are always things you can't control, and even if you've run thousands of races and been in countless situations, there's no guarantee that you'll make the right decisions when it counts.
"The times you've run badly, do you solely blame yourself? You engage in relentless self-criticism bordering on what many would refer to as self-effacement?
- Yes, because my starting point is that everyone else is an idiot, and I know that in advance. Then it does little good to be surprised by it afterwards. That's how I look at people, especially in the opening rounds of 1500 meters. Then you have to start from the fact that people do stupid things, and if you screw up because someone around you screws up, then you only have yourself to blame. Because it's going to happen. And then it's easy to put oneself as responsible for stupid things that happen."
I wanted to make sure the translator was doing a good job of translating the piece so I ran it through two different translators. They both gave very similar translations and he definitley used the word idiot as her it is in Norwegian, "Ja, for utgangspunktet mitt er at alle andre er idioter, og det vet jeg i forkant."
Here is a second tranlsation of the last paragraph.
"Yes, because my starting point is that everyone else is an idiot, and I know that beforehand. It doesn't help much to be surprised by it afterwards. That's how I look at people, especially in the preliminary rounds of the 1500m. Then you have to start from the assumption that people do stupid things, and if you then go down by someone around you walking on your face, then you only have yourself to blame. Because that's going to happen. And then it's easy to put yourself as responsible for stupid things that happen,"
I'd love to see this guy get badly injured and then try to make it in the real world.
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