He wasn't that fast outside of the 1500m nor was he fast for his time.
In what world is 26:46 pre super shoes not fast? He was 14th all time when he ran that. Granted there's strong evidence to point towards him not being the cleanest guy, but to say that he wasn't fast outside of the 1500m is absurd.
He ran 26:49 10000m closing in 55 to win 2017 Worlds despite being past his prime at age 34. He's nearly unbeatable at his peak 2012-2016. Imagine actually believing that he's only a 12:53/26:46 guy. All these haters don't understand that Farah is actually a 12:45/26:30 guy with 3:28 1500m speed. 2012-2016 Farah will dominate in ANY era.
I mean, let’s not forget his closest competition at the Rio 10K was a sickly white kid from Oregon who couldn’t get from his bed to his door without an inhaler
Yet the 5K now is being dominated by a white kid from Norway?
except the inhaler was replaced by Handheld Blood Lactate Meters.
He ran 26:49 10000m closing in 55 to win 2017 Worlds despite being past his prime at age 34. He's nearly unbeatable at his peak 2012-2016. Imagine actually believing that he's only a 12:53/26:46 guy. All these haters don't understand that Farah is actually a 12:45/26:30 guy with 3:28 1500m speed. 2012-2016 Farah will dominate in ANY era.
But that's just the thing, he never ran 12:45/26:33 did he?
Bekele ran 12:37, 12:40, 12:48, 12:48, 12:49. Geb ran 12:39, 12:41, 12:44. Komen ran 12:39, 12:44, 12:45. Now we've seen a slew of guys under 12:45 this season.
On the other hand Bekele broke 26:30 4x. Geb ran 26:31 or faster 3x. Kiplimo threw on an old pair of spikes and ran 26:33. Fisher has run 26:33.
If you're capable of a time you still need to run it. That's what the greats of the former generation did, and that's what the new guys are doing, super spikes or not. If he was capable of much quicker, Farah has only himself to blame for not going for it and leaving his legacy in such a compromised position. You can excuse him being slower than the new crop of guys with new technology; that's ultimately the nature of the sport. But he didn't approach the level of the greats well before him. It's impossible not to find his reign situated within a historically weak period for the events.
He couldn't hack it at the top level on the roads either, which is even more evidence that ultimately top end ability simply wasn't there. Of course he had a phenomenal career and ran faster than any of us could ever hope; I just think his greatness is severely limited to his particular time, with precious little claim to being the greatest of all time.
I think he is an all-time great. Below Bekele and Geb, but still one of the top-3 greatest ever. Tactically, he was the best ever, almost unbeatable. He broke his opponents mentally and then physically over the last 1km. It's clear that Jakob has adopted Farah's tactics and I think you also see it with Abdi Nur (btw, he will win a medal in Budapest this year).
The knock on Farah is that he never chased records, which is fair, though he was never incentivized to do so - what does it matter if he ended his career with a 12:53 PB rather than a 12:40? What would that have added to his legacy that 10 gold medals, 2 silvers and a WMM win didn't?
One measure of just how good Farah was, is how difficult anyone has found it to win double gold since he retired. Even peak Cheptegei couldn't manage it; Farah did it for four champs in a row.
He's also one of the fastest championship racers ever. Up until his first retirement in 2017, he had the 2nd and 4th fastest 10k winning times in history, behind only Bekele.
I’m tired of seeing people here act like Mo Farah was mid. It drives me insane. His medal run during his reign was absolutely insane and completely unmatched. Just unreal. And let’s not act like this was solely the result of a kick. The reason he kicked so fast was because of his supreme fitness. He closed a championship 5k in 1:49 for christs sake!!! Could close in 52 in low 13s 5k races. Act like he couldn’t have beat anyone at any time. Not even mentioning the RIDICULOUS 1500 he dropped out of no where. Let’s not pretend he couldn’t have medaled there too if it had been his focus. And a range up to a 2:05 marathon. Cmon. Yet people here want to act like he’s an afterthought just to praise off Bekele or whoever. Pfft
He was great, but Bekele, Haile, and Jakob are better runners and are better about answering the doorbell
When Mo Farah did chase records he did not come close to achieving his goals. I don't have the will to look for the thread on here but at one point many people on here were saying that Mo and Rupp were capable of 2:03 or faster (ridiculous) and Canova came on explaining it fully why those two were very unlikely to break 2:05. He got some pushback for that but he was 100% right. Those guys moved to the roads and were not anywhere close to being as competitive, the real competition during Farah's reign were still around off the track.
The guy came to Salazar at the right time, and there's no way he was clean. He was training partners with Craig Mottram at one time no one can possibly say that this guy didn't train seriously until Salazar. You don't all of a sudden become a world beater at nearly age 30 without some help.
Farah is a legend. The consensus here is meaningless. It was hysterical desperation in real time, as they actually believed he would lose.
This forum would place a one-hit wonder world record setter with zero global top 10 finishes ahead of Mo Farah.
Agreed.
I was around some HS'ers yesterday who were fan-boying over a local kid who traveled to a big meet, got 39th in a big shiny PR, then got worked at the State Championship because he has zero tactics.
Love fast times, but I respect guys like Farah, Bekele, Ingebrigtsen mostly for their composure in championship racing.
When Mo Farah did chase records he did not come close to achieving his goals. I don't have the will to look for the thread on here but at one point many people on here were saying that Mo and Rupp were capable of 2:03 or faster (ridiculous) and Canova came on explaining it fully why those two were very unlikely to break 2:05. He got some pushback for that but he was 100% right. Those guys moved to the roads and were not anywhere close to being as competitive, the real competition during Farah's reign were still around off the track.
The guy came to Salazar at the right time, and there's no way he was clean. He was training partners with Craig Mottram at one time no one can possibly say that this guy didn't train seriously until Salazar. You don't all of a sudden become a world beater at nearly age 30 without some help.
I won't claim Farah had a great marathon career, but a WMM win in Chicago and a third place in London is pretty good for what was an end of career hurrah. That indicates he was pretty competitive, and to give him some credit, he did try to go with Kipchoge when they raced but he came up short against the GOAT, no shame in that. Britain isn't blessed with too many sub 2:08 guys anymore so Mo kept us on the map in the marathon for a short while. Regardless, what he achieved in the marathon would be considered the pinnacle of most distance runners' careers, for Mo Farah, it's just a footnote.