Kelvin Kiptum running Chicago Marathon

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Nick Kipleri wrote:

Terrible weather in Chicago. In October there are 7 rainy days on average in that terrible city so "the right conditions" are not easily happening. He will more likely find wind and rain in that barely habitable place.

Huh, I hadn’t realized until this thread that you’re a fool.

As has been mentioned, the two fastest women’s marathons in history have been run in Chicago, with insane pacing at that. When Dennis Kimetto ran the 2:03:45 CR pre-supershoes, it was his PB and only 22 seconds off the WR. Paula Radcliffe, Catherine Ndereba, Steve Jones and Khalid Khannouchi have all set WRs there in the past. The average temperatures in Chicago on October 8th are a low of 48 and a high of 66, with a 7:30 a.m. race start time. The course is famously flat and fast, with zero hills of any real significance.

Link:findmymarathon.com/elevation.php?eleva...

When you complain about Kiptum choosing to race in that quote “barely inhabitable place,” you may as well be waving a flag that says “I’m biased and ignorant.”

Wise Old Man wrote:

Nick Kipleri wrote:

You're truly a wise old man. Well spoken words. Valencia should have fought to bring back Kiptum and have a new WR actually they let him go elsewhere. Anyway it's impossible that he is breaking the WR in Chicago. The best pacers are in Berlin and Valencia. How many pacers does Chicago have? And Who are they?

Do they typically announce the pacers well in advance? Anyway, EK will have put his marker down in Sept before Chicago. I doubt EK will further lower the wr. I suspect he’s just going for the win in a decent time (sub 2:04) as a confidence builder. If it’s a nice day, I think Kiptum might run sub 2:01 in Chicago, but if not, maybe he’ll get it in London next year with better weather and pacing. The Olympic marathon might preclude running fast in Berlin in 2024, but maybe Valencia next year….

Nick Kipleri wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Huh, I hadn’t realized until this thread that you’re a fool.

As has been mentioned, the two fastest women’s marathons in history have been run in Chicago, with insane pacing at that. When Dennis Kimetto ran the 2:03:45 CR pre-supershoes, it was his PB and only 22 seconds off the WR. Paula Radcliffe, Catherine Ndereba, Steve Jones and Khalid Khannouchi have all set WRs there in the past. The average temperatures in Chicago on October 8th are a low of 48 and a high of 66, with a 7:30 a.m. race start time. The course is famously flat and fast, with zero hills of any real significance.

Link:findmymarathon.com/elevation.php?eleva...

When you complain about Kiptum choosing to race in that quote “barely inhabitable place,” you may as well be waving a flag that says “I’m biased and ignorant.”

Of course you're a genius and i didn't notice that. My fault. Then explain why talking about men race the course record in London is 2h01'25" (before that It was kipchoge's 2h02'37"), the course record in Valencia is 2h01'53" (before that It was Chebet's 2h03'00") and even Boston (a well known slow marathon) has a 2h03'02" as course record. All of them FASTER than Chicago (2h03'45"). Not to mention Berlin which is the fastest and many times the WR has been broken there. So Chicago is slower than Berlin, London, Tokyo, Valencia and even BOSTON. For men only NYC is slower than Chicago.

Seb Coe.. wrote:

Nick Kipleri wrote:

Of course you're a genius and i didn't notice that. My fault. Then explain why talking about men race the course record in London is 2h01'25" (before that It was kipchoge's 2h02'37"), the course record in Valencia is 2h01'53" (before that It was Chebet's 2h03'00") and even Boston (a well known slow marathon) has a 2h03'02" as course record. All of them FASTER than Chicago (2h03'45"). Not to mention Berlin which is the fastest and many times the WR has been broken there. So Chicago is slower than Berlin, London, Tokyo, Valencia and even BOSTON. For men only NYC is slower than Chicago.

This is just awful logic. Especially when the same thing can be applied on the Women's side to say that Chicago is the fastest marathon since the WR was set there. And Boston is a slow marathon course minus once every 15 years when they get a tailwind at their back and is not eligible for records anyway. The reason Chicago's male CR is slower than those other races is the fact that the best runners have not run it in the supershoe era.

You clearly just have a weird vendetta against Chicago and have been aggressively wrong about everything in this thread from pacers to weather to race participants.

Seb Coe.. wrote:

Nick Kipleri wrote:

Of course you're a genius and i didn't notice that. My fault. Then explain why talking about men race the course record in London is 2h01'25" (before that It was kipchoge's 2h02'37"), the course record in Valencia is 2h01'53" (before that It was Chebet's 2h03'00") and even Boston (a well known slow marathon) has a 2h03'02" as course record. All of them FASTER than Chicago (2h03'45"). Not to mention Berlin which is the fastest and many times the WR has been broken there. So Chicago is slower than Berlin, London, Tokyo, Valencia and even BOSTON. For men only NYC is slower than Chicago.

This is just awful logic. Especially when the same thing can be applied on the Women's side to say that Chicago is the fastest marathon since the WR was set there. And Boston is a slow marathon course minus once every 15 years when they get a tailwind at their back and is not eligible for records anyway. The reason Chicago's male CR is slower than those other races is the fact that the best runners have not run it in the supershoe era.

You clearly just have a weird vendetta against Chicago and have been aggressively wrong about everything in this thread from pacers to weather to race participants.

Nick Kipleri wrote:

Seb Coe.. wrote:

This is just awful logic. Especially when the same thing can be applied on the Women's side to say that Chicago is the fastest marathon since the WR was set there. And Boston is a slow marathon course minus once every 15 years when they get a tailwind at their back and is not eligible for records anyway. The reason Chicago's male CR is slower than those other races is the fact that the best runners have not run it in the supershoe era.

You clearly just have a weird vendetta against Chicago and have been aggressively wrong about everything in this thread from pacers to weather to race participants.

Chicago has not been raced in the supershoe era? Maybe ypu know something i don't. I thought Chicago was raced last year, and the others years too (except covid's year) as well as the others marathons. Maybe you have different data compared to the ones i have or maybe you should define what period of time supershoe era covers.

Wise Old Man wrote:

Nick Kipleri wrote:

You're truly a wise old man. Well spoken words. Valencia should have fought to bring back Kiptum and have a new WR actually they let him go elsewhere. Anyway it's impossible that he is breaking the WR in Chicago. The best pacers are in Berlin and Valencia. How many pacers does Chicago have? And Who are they?

Do they typically announce the pacers well in advance? Anyway, EK will have put his marker down in Sept before Chicago. I doubt EK will further lower the wr. I suspect he’s just going for the win in a decent time (sub 2:04) as a confidence builder. If it’s a nice day, I think Kiptum might run sub 2:01 in Chicago, but if not, maybe he’ll get it in London next year with better weather and pacing. The Olympic marathon might preclude running fast in Berlin in 2024, but maybe Valencia next year….

Nick Kipleri wrote:

Seb Coe.. wrote:

This is just awful logic. Especially when the same thing can be applied on the Women's side to say that Chicago is the fastest marathon since the WR was set there. And Boston is a slow marathon course minus once every 15 years when they get a tailwind at their back and is not eligible for records anyway. The reason Chicago's male CR is slower than those other races is the fact that the best runners have not run it in the supershoe era.

You clearly just have a weird vendetta against Chicago and have been aggressively wrong about everything in this thread from pacers to weather to race participants.

Chicago has not been raced in the supershoe era? Maybe ypu know something i don't. I thought Chicago was raced last year, and the others years too (except covid's year) as well as the others marathons. Maybe you have different data compared to the ones i have or maybe you should define what period of time supershoe era covers.