Whatever it takes to win. He will take the lead with 100 to go and win
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Will never make it to the starting line
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13:21 to win a slowish race
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Even off of 2 months training, I can't see him going slower than Sam Parson's 13:21 outdoor PB, so I'll go 13:20.
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13:20.31-13:20.33
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briguy wrote:
What does McDonalds run his first 5000m in a long time in? Racing at sound running tomorrow. Closest time get an upvote from me as reward.
4th - 13:24.51
VNTC > OAC, but jokes aside, at least he’s back healthy
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Damn, what a talent, he only looks to be one month and an under distance race from sub 13.10
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Is this actually true?
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Klecker the prophet wrote:
Is this actually true?
Did Ben Flanagan qualify?
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Klecker the prophet wrote:
Is this actually true?
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality)
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Togher wrote:
Klecker the prophet wrote:
Is this actually true?
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality)
Well done and this is why nobody likes OAC and their cheater coach
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Togher wrote:
Klecker the prophet wrote:
Is this actually true?
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality)
I don't disagree with you I'm just confused about how these rankings are calculated. Looking at Ben Flanagan's IAAF profile he is ranked 40th with a score of 1199. But his best 5k in 2023 was an indoor 5k with 1221 points (13:11 at Boston in Jan 2023). His next two best 5ks are 1159 (13:13 in May 2023) and 1150 (13:16 in May 2023) leading to an average of 1176... what I am missing? How does that lead to a score of 1199?
Or does the 3k count too? In which case Morgan would have 3 performances in the qualifying window?
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Togher wrote:
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality
Klecker is correct, McDonald should make the quota when the rankings update. 3000m also counts for the 5000m. His ranking points (with placing scores) are:
Rovereto 5000m, 13:19.21 (4th place, Cat. B) = 1140 + 45 = 1185
Zagreb 3000m, 7:39.05 (3rd place, Cat. A) = 1182 + 80 = 1262
Sound Running 5000m 13:24.54 (4th place, Cat. C) = 1121 + 30 = 1151
Average of 1199 currently is good enough to be in the rankings quota.
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bigtimerunner wrote:
I don't disagree with you I'm just confused about how these rankings are calculated. Looking at Ben Flanagan's IAAF profile he is ranked 40th with a score of 1199. But his best 5k in 2023 was an indoor 5k with 1221 points (13:11 at Boston in Jan 2023). His next two best 5ks are 1159 (13:13 in May 2023) and 1150 (13:16 in May 2023) leading to an average of 1176... what I am missing? How does that lead to a score of 1199?
Or does the 3k count too? In which case Morgan would have 3 performances in the qualifying window?
If you click on a runner's name in the rankings list on the WA website it show the races that are being used for the calculation. Flanagan's score is based off NB Indoor Grand Prix 3000m (1179+60), Track Fest 5000m (1159+50), and LA Grand Prix (1150).
I think two of the three races have to be an outdoor 5000m, which is why the 13:11 indoors in Boston isn't used (his indoor 3000m score is higher when the placing score is included)
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Fair enough. I thought they included the bonuses in reported ranking scores
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Different Caliber wrote:
Even off of 2 months training, I can't see him going slower than Sam Parson's 13:21 outdoor PB, so I'll go 13:20.
Really catching a stray there
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ranking calc wrote:
Togher wrote:
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality
Klecker is correct, McDonald should make the quota when the rankings update. 3000m also counts for the 5000m. His ranking points (with placing scores) are:
Rovereto 5000m, 13:19.21 (4th place, Cat. B) = 1140 + 45 = 1185
Zagreb 3000m, 7:39.05 (3rd place, Cat. A) = 1182 + 80 = 1262
Sound Running 5000m 13:24.54 (4th place, Cat. C) = 1121 + 30 = 1151
Average of 1199 currently is good enough to be in the rankings quota.
Nice work. It would be impressive for him to even get to the start line in Budapest. I wouldn't trust the Aussie federation to select him, they seem a bit dysfunctional, but it would be good to see him there after all his injuries.
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ranking calc wrote:
Togher wrote:
Not correct. Morgan isn't on the road to Budapest rankings. He needs 3 to rank and only has two. The average of his two races is about 1130, cut off for 5000m is about 1180 so to bring the average up he'd need a super performance (AutoQ in reality
Klecker is correct, McDonald should make the quota when the rankings update.
Update: World Athletics just released new rankings as of July 25th. When limited to 3 per country, Morgan is ranked #29 in the men's 5000m field.
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Or just check the Road to Budaolpest page.
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McDonald was a very succesdf
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