He is not a suspicious drug cheat like Mo (by association with Jama "The Syringe" Aden) either.
Since his brother was on the likely doping list, I would say he's a suspicious drug cheat by association.
Being on a “likely doping list” can be narrowed down, in my opinion, to two main reasons:
1. You are a drug cheat, but you are not being convicted due to extreme demands for 100% proof.
2. There are legitimate reasons for the fluctuations in your blood pass, so you are not convicted because you are innocent.
I don’t know what you (in earnest) choose to believe (because the facts are limited). But I link you to “The Norwegian Federation of Athletics’” press release of the matter. My translation of the important 2 last sentences (by the head physician MD Talsnes):
“If this information is right it will make Henrik Ingebrigtsen one of the most tested runners in the world, head physician of The Norwegian Federation of Athletics says. -From a medical point of view the actual fluctuations aligns with his recorded altitude training, and is only a proof of him responding well to this training regime, Talsnes says.”
Since his brother was on the likely doping list, I would say he's a suspicious drug cheat by association.
Being on a “likely doping list” can be narrowed down, in my opinion, to two main reasons:
1. You are a drug cheat, but you are not being convicted due to extreme demands for 100% proof.
2. There are legitimate reasons for the fluctuations in your blood pass, so you are not convicted because you are innocent.
I don’t know what you (in earnest) choose to believe (because the facts are limited). But I link you to “The Norwegian Federation of Athletics’” press release of the matter. My translation of the important 2 last sentences (by the head physician MD Talsnes):
“If this information is right it will make Henrik Ingebrigtsen one of the most tested runners in the world, head physician of The Norwegian Federation of Athletics says. -From a medical point of view the actual fluctuations aligns with his recorded altitude training, and is only a proof of him responding well to this training regime, Talsnes says.”
Pretty sure he doesnt need the european record to participate at worlds.
Why you don't defend the honor of your home?
You realllllly aren’t gonna like it if Europeans decide to start prioritizing “defending the honor of their home.” Like, we’ve seen that movie before, it’s not fun for anybody.
Jakobs like a better Mo Farah honestly like with even more speed
He is not a suspicious drug cheat like Mo (by association with Jama "The Syringe" Aden) either.
1) Relevant to note than Jakobs brother was labeled as “likely doping” in the Fancy Bears leak.
2) Jakob has never completed the double at an international competition. He’s better than ever this year - but so are many of his competitors. Should be two great races.
I think it depends on who’s doubling and who’s not. Last year, Cheptegei and Barega struggled in the 5K after they ran the 10K. I don’t see anyone beating Jakob with a recent 10K in their legs.
If they’re all fresh from not having to run the 10K, I could see one of the Ethiopians beating Jakob if they work together to push the pace. Jakob will be compromised from having faced a game field in the 1500. A hard pace in the 5K final could be effective for beating him, similar to 2003 when a fresh Kipchoge was able to outkick El G and Bekele in a race won in 12:52 after they doubled back from other events.
One thing is certain: if the pace is so slow that Jakob has time to grab water, nobody is beating him.
Henrik I. numbers can, as anyone with a minimum of clue about high altitude training knows, easily be explained as a result of this training. if this is the tiny bit of "proof" people can come up with that Ingebrigsten has a doping problem, it is laughable.
Well, when you think about it, Jakob is basically a science experiment that’s been very successful. Dude has been professionally training since the age of 9
World Champs is a joke. Won't be won in 12:40. Jakob may win but he still won't have ran 12:40 low, and never will.
This.
At 5000m Jakob is more like a Mo or Chelimo. Probably almost a nailed on winner due to tactics, but doesn't have the PR's his competitors have at the distance.
That being said, Jakob will not win a 12:40 race, but wont need to because I imagine Worlds will be a much slower affair. If however someone like Aregawi wanted to start dropping 59/60's mid-race like he has been doing, we'll see a real test for Jakob.
I'm sick to death of the brown-nosing these message boards constantly do towards Jakob, claiming he can win a 12:40 race when he's never run that quick before. It's equally as likely that Aregawi, Cheptegei and Kejelcha push it towards 12:30, at which point Jakob cannot hang.
World Champs is a joke. Won't be won in 12:40. Jakob may win but he still won't have ran 12:40 low, and never will.
This.
At 5000m Jakob is more like a Mo or Chelimo. Probably almost a nailed on winner due to tactics, but doesn't have the PR's his competitors have at the distance.
That being said, Jakob will not win a 12:40 race, but wont need to because I imagine Worlds will be a much slower affair. If however someone like Aregawi wanted to start dropping 59/60's mid-race like he has been doing, we'll see a real test for Jakob.
I'm sick to death of the brown-nosing these message boards constantly do towards Jakob, claiming he can win a 12:40 race when he's never run that quick before. It's equally as likely that Aregawi, Cheptegei and Kejelcha push it towards 12:30, at which point Jakob cannot hang.
it is completely unlikely that anybody tries to push towards 12:30. There is money on the line for all THREE medals and these guys all understand that pushing the pace can move them from contention to 10th at the snap of a finger.
Understand this, Jakob is racing is gold. Most of these guys make a lot less money than him, and the reward for getting any of the medals is real and meaningful to them.
At 5000m Jakob is more like a Mo or Chelimo. Probably almost a nailed on winner due to tactics, but doesn't have the PR's his competitors have at the distance.
That being said, Jakob will not win a 12:40 race, but wont need to because I imagine Worlds will be a much slower affair. If however someone like Aregawi wanted to start dropping 59/60's mid-race like he has been doing, we'll see a real test for Jakob.
I'm sick to death of the brown-nosing these message boards constantly do towards Jakob, claiming he can win a 12:40 race when he's never run that quick before. It's equally as likely that Aregawi, Cheptegei and Kejelcha push it towards 12:30, at which point Jakob cannot hang.
it is completely unlikely that anybody tries to push towards 12:30. There is money on the line for all THREE medals and these guys all understand that pushing the pace can move them from contention to 10th at the snap of a finger.
Understand this, Jakob is racing is gold. Most of these guys make a lot less money than him, and the reward for getting any of the medals is real and meaningful to them.
Are the races really that different that a 7:54 2miler can't hang on long enough to run a 12:40 or 12:35 esp when he runs pretty high mileage
I think some people here underestimate the toll a 1500 and ESPECIALLY a 10k has on the body and its effects on the 5000. If the Africans really want to make it fast, they all have to share laps. They need to be clocking out 60 seconds laps and alternating every single lap if they really want to run away from Jakob
Being on a “likely doping list” can be narrowed down, in my opinion, to two main reasons:
1. You are a drug cheat, but you are not being convicted due to extreme demands for 100% proof.
2. There are legitimate reasons for the fluctuations in your blood pass, so you are not convicted because you are innocent.
I don’t know what you (in earnest) choose to believe (because the facts are limited). But I link you to “The Norwegian Federation of Athletics’” press release of the matter. My translation of the important 2 last sentences (by the head physician MD Talsnes):
“If this information is right it will make Henrik Ingebrigtsen one of the most tested runners in the world, head physician of The Norwegian Federation of Athletics says. -From a medical point of view the actual fluctuations aligns with his recorded altitude training, and is only a proof of him responding well to this training regime, Talsnes says.”
I believe every elite runner responds well to training. The Norwegians / Ingebritsens don’t have special genetic adaptation.
Their rationale sounds eerily similar to Armstrong’s justification tactics.
Cheating or not, no one should use the “most tested athlete” line as evidence. That was indeed one of Armstrong’s key arguments for years. Armstrong is the first thing that comes to mind whenever I hear it.
You are trying to play the psychic using times. Why Jacob didn't want to have some elite runners with him when he recorders these "planed" times? Maybe to not be shocked by the fact that the "gap" is not that big?
But always the truth will be revealed by the time.
Florence 5000m 2021 had special circumstances, pandemic period, few runners had the chance to exerce a lot of races (road, cross country, meetings ...) that year.
As someone said before me, if some of the top elite 5000m/10.000m runners dont double at Budapest, I wont be surprised to see two African fleeing to the end line of a 5000m while Jakob placing third. In a highly paced race (12min 45 sec or less).
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