Why are “EPO era” records falling?

The shoes, whether they allow better or training or racing, are definitely part of the answer. If the answer also include training and diet, just think of what Jim Ryun could have done today on today's tracks. 3:23-24?

There is no way wave light technology is a factor. These athletes are not "motivated" by a light. They are also very capable of pacing without the lights. The lights help the spectator more than the athlete.

EPO is still alive and well along with other drugs and then the shoes. And all the usual suspects use them all

Were you following track before wavelight? Did you somehow miss all the record attempts messed up by people going out in 53 or by running 2s too slow in a middle lap?

The lights are not a reason. These guys know how fast they are going. Pacers work because it's slot easier to be pulled along. They had lights in the 1970's in the ITA; the lights are for the spectators. The tracks are faster, the shoes are bouncier, and the PED's are more undetectable.

Technology doesn't beat doping. That almost inevitably doped records are being beaten is because of doping. It remains further ahead of testing than any time since the '90's.

The “epo era” never really ended especially in countries that didn’t/don’t test. Elsewhere it needs to be micro dosed. Testing has gotten better, but it is still the go to drug and has been for over 25 years.

What is new is the shoes. It is why we now have so many “generational talents” from high school, to college, to pro. If everyone is getting faster then times and records don’t mean what they used to.

EPO isn't a performance enhancer.

"There are no magic bullets"

Weldon Johnson 2022.

wejo was right. His coach John Kellogg was wrong.

Wavelight? Come on, in the 80s there was the exact same thing at indoor meets. Jim Ryun talks about it in his autobiography. There were also pacers then too.

This is the same guy who has started 25 threads since Oslo, including no doubt the 'Jakob has peaked', 'Jakob is dirty', 'Nvare' is dirty' etc.

El G and Komen need to apologize for having these artificial records for so long. And which El G record has fallen, btw? The Oslo meeting record?

Look at the times 25 years before El G and Komen and it's a different universe. Yet because their records are finally getting beaten or being approached by clean runners 25 years after them, then some freaks here have to convince themselves it's because of doping.

Try to speak first to the Berkani... if you find a way.

A lot of athletes.

Back then there wasn't a hemotocrit limit, no biopassport, no HGH test, new EPO test around that time that caught absolutley nobody.

Now there's super spikes, L-carnitine, testosterone cream, better testing for blood doping and EPO + biopassport, and pacing lights.

I'm not convinced overall training is that much better, maybe more mileage, more threshold, less Seb Coe ran <30 miles per week lies. Double threshold? El G was doing two runs at around 5:00/mile most days so I'd call that double threshold combined with double blood doping. The shoes are the biggest change, making up for hematocrit and biopassport.

Something better. And shoes. Nothing else. 5000, 10000, 2-mile records all hung around for eons until cheat shoes showed up. I think there is something else as well. Don’t kid yourself. It’s nothing more.

I think there are also so many new supplements out that push the boundaries of those grey areas

more drugs,and cocktails of them.

Hopefully no one is stupid enough to do this:

sciencedaily.com

Competitive athletics: Detecting CRISPR/Cas gene doping

All athletes want to be at the top of their game when they compete, but some resort to nefarious approaches to achieve peak muscle growth, speed and agility. Recent developments in gene editing technology could tempt athletes...

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Gene-doping (it's already banned by WADA).

Laughable.

Do you have the remotest evidence that doping is ahead of testing other than your assumption that all top performances are drug based?

What evidence?