He looks good, but we're now at Jakob, Sumner, Neguse, Hobbs, and Fisher tapped as future non-African Olympic champs. Not to mention that Brit who ran 1:44 as an 18 year old, the Aussie kid who just broke Jakob's age-group 1500 meter record, etc.
She was second female overall at age 51 at the Dexter to Ann Arbor half marathon back on Sunday June 4th. I stuck around after running the 10k to watch the 1/2 finish. No way you would have guessed she was 51 by the way she motored on the final uphill.
Hobbs has a genetic advantage (dad was quick too) that most can only dream of.
Give Hobbs a little space and let his talent fully develop.
He looks good, but we're now at Jakob, Sumner, Neguse, Hobbs, and Fisher tapped as future non-African Olympic champs. Not to mention that Brit who ran 1:44 as an 18 year old, the Aussie kid who just broke Jakob's age-group 1500 meter record, etc.
So Hobbs does have company.
Yeah it took me a while as a kid to realize that our local stud (4:12 as a soph 25 years ago) may have been God like to use but there were dozens of him in the US. His odds of making the Olympic team were low and actually medalling were absurdly low.
You just hope they all get a 3 year period of being healthy so we can see what they can do...
Jim Ryan? Come on now, have some respect. Every up and coming athlete is not a “generational talent” despite the constant posts. We have 5-10 generational talents in the US at the moment according to these boards.
Beadlescomb also did the workout, does that mean he is going to get second place in the Olympics? It is arguably more impressive that Beadlescomb, a long distance runner, can stick with a mid distance guy in a sprint workout.
Beadlescomb is 25 and was behind Kessler. Kessler will be 25 at the 2028 LA Olympics. Kessler's season opener at age 20 was 3:32. He was 1 second behind a very in form Cheruiyot. How many 3:32 guys can say they were a world class rock climber a couple years ago? It's actually the exact same number of Americans that have been the 1500m Olympic Champ in the last century.
Sleep on Kessler if you want. He's got just as much talent as Jim Ryun did. If you wanna talk about what's more impressive, I'm taking the guy who climbed rocks for 16 years, started running, then ran 3:34 2 years later. The guy that ran faster than Nuguse's collegiate record while he was still in high school. And the progression too: 4:08 junior year, 3:57i senior year opener, 3:40 outdoor opener, 1:49 2 weeks later, 3:34 2 weeks later.
Jim Ryan? Come on now, have some respect. Every up and coming athlete is not a “generational talent” despite the constant posts. We have 5-10 generational talents in the US at the moment according to these boards.
Hocker and Nuguse didn't run 3:34 in high school after running for 2 years (Kessler ran faster than Nuguse's CR that he'd set a couple weeks prior). Nor did Ryun, nor Webb, nor is anyone else even close. Jakob is the only non-African to run faster as a U20, and he'd been training at a high level for a decade at that point. Kessler had a decade of climbing up rocks and 2 years of running.
Beadlescomb also did the workout, does that mean he is going to get second place in the Olympics? It is arguably more impressive that Beadlescomb, a long distance runner, can stick with a mid distance guy in a sprint workout.
Beadlescomb is 25 and was behind Kessler. Kessler will be 25 at the 2028 LA Olympics. Kessler's season opener at age 20 was 3:32. He was 1 second behind a very in form Cheruiyot. How many 3:32 guys can say they were a world class rock climber a couple years ago? It's actually the exact same number of Americans that have been the 1500m Olympic Champ in the last century.
Sleep on Kessler if you want. He's got just as much talent as Jim Ryun did. If you wanna talk about what's more impressive, I'm taking the guy who climbed rocks for 16 years, started running, then ran 3:34 2 years later. The guy that ran faster than Nuguse's collegiate record while he was still in high school. And the progression too: 4:08 junior year, 3:57i senior year opener, 3:40 outdoor opener, 1:49 2 weeks later, 3:34 2 weeks later.
I am taking the guy who after about 18 months of running ran 3:39 and made the Olympic team as a junior in HS... And then ran an American record in the mile not some college mark. And who as a 19 year was setting world records not talking about almost winning...
You would need to be insane to think Kessler has been remotely impressive as Ryun was. Doesn't mean he can't have a better career but so far it hasn't been close...
I don’t agree. His Mtn climbing background is significant. That dude is fast and efficient. No wasted side motion, just power forward. I predict he has a better career than Yared.
I don’t agree. His Mtn climbing background is significant. That dude is fast and efficient. No wasted side motion, just power forward. I predict he has a better career than Yared.
Beadlescomb also did the workout, does that mean he is going to get second place in the Olympics? It is arguably more impressive that Beadlescomb, a long distance runner, can stick with a mid distance guy in a sprint workout.
Beadlescomb is 25 and was behind Kessler. Kessler will be 25 at the 2028 LA Olympics. Kessler's season opener at age 20 was 3:32. He was 1 second behind a very in form Cheruiyot. How many 3:32 guys can say they were a world class rock climber a couple years ago? It's actually the exact same number of Americans that have been the 1500m Olympic Champ in the last century.
Sleep on Kessler if you want. He's got just as much talent as Jim Ryun did. If you wanna talk about what's more impressive, I'm taking the guy who climbed rocks for 16 years, started running, then ran 3:34 2 years later. The guy that ran faster than Nuguse's collegiate record while he was still in high school. And the progression too: 4:08 junior year, 3:57i senior year opener, 3:40 outdoor opener, 1:49 2 weeks later, 3:34 2 weeks later.
I agree he has equivalent talent, but let’s see if it comes to fruition. Ryun ran 1:44 low (converted) in the 800. Ryun would be a 3:47 guy, and, frankly the AR holder, in today’s era with the shoes and tracks. Kessler isn’t there yet. However, I think he becomes our first sub-3:30 guy (not counting Lagat) if Nuguse doesn’t beat him to it outdoors. Hard to believe no other American has ever accomplished the feat. Kessler definitely has the ability.
My rule of thumb is that anytime an elite athlete posts a workout video like this, it's not a workout, it's a race. All a hero workout like that does is burn an athlete out. That's one less race effort he has in his legs and an earlier end to his season. But looks cool to those who don't know better.
He looks good, but we're now at Jakob, Sumner, Neguse, Hobbs, and Fisher tapped as future non-African Olympic champs. Not to mention that Brit who ran 1:44 as an 18 year old, the Aussie kid who just broke Jakob's age-group 1500 meter record, etc.
So Hobbs does have company.
You can take Sumner out of there for now. I know there are a few loud fans, but until he runs a 1:43mid then there is no reason to include him as some "future". And if you're talking non-African champs then you'll probably want to include Burgin, Myers (that Aussie), and Laros.
Beadlescomb is 25 and was behind Kessler. Kessler will be 25 at the 2028 LA Olympics. Kessler's season opener at age 20 was 3:32. He was 1 second behind a very in form Cheruiyot. How many 3:32 guys can say they were a world class rock climber a couple years ago? It's actually the exact same number of Americans that have been the 1500m Olympic Champ in the last century.
Sleep on Kessler if you want. He's got just as much talent as Jim Ryun did. If you wanna talk about what's more impressive, I'm taking the guy who climbed rocks for 16 years, started running, then ran 3:34 2 years later. The guy that ran faster than Nuguse's collegiate record while he was still in high school. And the progression too: 4:08 junior year, 3:57i senior year opener, 3:40 outdoor opener, 1:49 2 weeks later, 3:34 2 weeks later.
I am taking the guy who after about 18 months of running ran 3:39 and made the Olympic team as a junior in HS... And then ran an American record in the mile not some college mark. And who as a 19 year was setting world records not talking about almost winning...
You would need to be insane to think Kessler has been remotely impressive as Ryun was. Doesn't mean he can't have a better career but so far it hasn't been close...
Hobbs ran within 1.2 second of Ryun’s lifetime PR, in HS, in less time and maybe not even half the training load.
Beadlescomb is 25 and was behind Kessler. Kessler will be 25 at the 2028 LA Olympics. Kessler's season opener at age 20 was 3:32. He was 1 second behind a very in form Cheruiyot. How many 3:32 guys can say they were a world class rock climber a couple years ago? It's actually the exact same number of Americans that have been the 1500m Olympic Champ in the last century.
Sleep on Kessler if you want. He's got just as much talent as Jim Ryun did. If you wanna talk about what's more impressive, I'm taking the guy who climbed rocks for 16 years, started running, then ran 3:34 2 years later. The guy that ran faster than Nuguse's collegiate record while he was still in high school. And the progression too: 4:08 junior year, 3:57i senior year opener, 3:40 outdoor opener, 1:49 2 weeks later, 3:34 2 weeks later.
I agree he has equivalent talent, but let’s see if it comes to fruition. Ryun ran 1:44 low (converted) in the 800. Ryun would be a 3:47 guy, and, frankly the AR holder, in today’s era with the shoes and tracks. Kessler isn’t there yet. However, I think he becomes our first sub-3:30 guy (not counting Lagat) if Nuguse doesn’t beat him to it outdoors. Hard to believe no other American has ever accomplished the feat. Kessler definitely has the ability.
Moreover, Ryun closed races in 36.4 for 300 and under 24 for the last 200 (NCAA - slow but still). I believe he ran damn near a sub-50 second last lap off a not totally pedestrian pace. Dude was other-worldly.
I agree Hobbs will be one of the greats, but Olympic champ is just too tough to predict. Olympic medal? Yeah, likely. Sub-3:30 and Olympic medal. Hopefully gold. We’ll see.
My rule of thumb is that anytime an elite athlete posts a workout video like this, it's not a workout, it's a race. All a hero workout like that does is burn an athlete out. That's one less race effort he has in his legs and an earlier end to his season. But looks cool to those who don't know better.
You could not be more wrong, this was a completely specific workout and most likely one Willis did every year or so? This was a speed sharpening session, running fast when tired. Ron lays out the marks, "hero workout"? What is that? "But looks cool to those who don't know better" . I think Ron knows better, or don't you?
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