FALSE. If you make 160k you probably only pay 15%.
Harvard Financial Aid Fact Sheet In a typical year: -55% of our undergraduates receive need-based Harvard scholarships. -Families with incomes below $85,000 (up from $75,000 starting in the 23-24 school year) are not expected to contribute to the cost of their child's education. More than 20% of -Harvard parents have total incomes less than $85,000. -Families with incomes between $85,000 and $150,000 will contribute from 0-10% of their income, and those with incomes above $150,000 will be asked to pay proportionately more than 10%, based on their individual circumstances.
You left out at least a couple of points worth noting. First, that's 15% of family income, not 15% of, for example, student tuition or other expenses. Second, and more significant, is this later statement in the "Fact Sheet":
"Families at all income levels who have significant assets are asked to pay more than those without assets."
For those of us who came from lower-income families of super-savers, that has been a huge deal over the years, and renders some of the earlier statements in the "Fact Sheet" misleading at best, and perhaps outright false. But I have always advised the most intelligent and highly-motivated students to go to the best academic schools and forget about athletic scholarships, even if they have to find their own way to pay, without any family contribution or financial aid from the school itself. (It still sucks, however.)
Are you not aware that the last three Republican presidents, including Trump, went to Ivy League schools? Also check where DeSantis went to school. You might be surprised!
Harvard's strongest recruiting tool isn't money. It's that admissions are significantly easier for recruited athletes. And if Harvard takes you, it's pretty likely that you will go.
Same holds for the other Ivies. The only two kids of my son's high school class to get into Penn were recruited athletes, who were academically well below the many students at his high school whom Penn rejected.
So yeah, Harvard and the other Ivies are in pretty good position for recruiting, despite not offering any form of athletic scholarship.
Reason #1,412 why this discussion board is pretty trashy.
You want to give a shout out to a program that had a nice achievement (literally almost any program) and most of the posts that follow will intend to degrade the achievement because __________________________.
The athletes are too old.
They get too many transfers.
They have too many Africans or other international students.
Their athletes don't go on to be professionals.
Their admission standards are weak.
They ignore their admission standards for athletes.
Scholarships don't matter, they are getting these athletes with NIL money/it's all Nike-funded.
Etc.
It's like a mad libs with the line "Insert something negative and possibly not true here."
Read enough of these threads and you can only conclude that runners don't think there is a single program in the country having any achievement "the right way."
FALSE. If you make 160k you probably only pay 15%.
Harvard Financial Aid Fact Sheet In a typical year: -55% of our undergraduates receive need-based Harvard scholarships. -Families with incomes below $85,000 (up from $75,000 starting in the 23-24 school year) are not expected to contribute to the cost of their child's education. More than 20% of -Harvard parents have total incomes less than $85,000. -Families with incomes between $85,000 and $150,000 will contribute from 0-10% of their income, and those with incomes above $150,000 will be asked to pay proportionately more than 10%, based on their individual circumstances.
You left out at least a couple of points worth noting. First, that's 15% of family income, not 15% of, for example, student tuition or other expenses. Second, and more significant, is this later statement in the "Fact Sheet":
"Families at all income levels who have significant assets are asked to pay more than those without assets."
For those of us who came from lower-income families of super-savers, that has been a huge deal over the years, and renders some of the earlier statements in the "Fact Sheet" misleading at best, and perhaps outright false. But I have always advised the most intelligent and highly-motivated students to go to the best academic schools and forget about athletic scholarships, even if they have to find their own way to pay, without any family contribution or financial aid from the school itself. (It still sucks, however.)
15% of income is still very little. Keep in mind the median household income in the United States is 70k. An household income of $150,000 is around 90th percentile.
So a family that makes more than 90% of the rest of the country would only have to pay 15,000 per year for a school that costs 90,000.
Your complaint is that families that have saved money for college will have to pay for college? That's the point of saving!
Harvard's strongest recruiting tool isn't money. It's that admissions are significantly easier for recruited athletes.
I'm curious: just how low do they (and other Ivy League universities?) go?
If you can provide video evidence of your half dozen 17m triple-jumps in competition over the past year, do you need to provide evidence that you can tie your own shoelaces?
Duke basketball has no standards, but for other sports academic standards exist. But that entails only a 1300-1400 SAT depending on your times and grades; test optional has also made it easier.
Times have gotten faster, but Ivies used to use an "academic index" which helps smart recruits: if you'd have perfect test scores and grades, you likely could get admissions help with only a 9:20 a little while ago.
I had a friend on the hockey team who had a complex about being the dumbest guy there because he got in in spite of a 1000 sat score. He played in the pros later.
They most certainly have special admissions for special people
They ignore their admission standards for athletes.
Nobody wrote the first sentence. The second is also incorrect, because being a recruited athlete is an aspect of their admission standards. It is a part of the process, the same as with many other factors that make the Ivy admissions process more than just evaluating grades and test scores.
I had a friend on the hockey team who had a complex about being the dumbest guy there because he got in in spite of a 1000 sat score. He played in the pros later.
They most certainly have special admissions for special people
Your opinion is wrong and I know this because I'm smarter than you. And if anyone downvotes, upvotes, or refrains from voting on this post, it just confirms that I'm right.
And just more evidence that Ivy leagues DO in fact recruit for athletics. I mean what year was it when it was discovered Yale football team had 8+ athletes that scored under 1000 on their SAT's.
At least Stanford is open about it. An Ivy league level education, and no denying that they recruit athletes.
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