In just a few weeks his run will be 42 YEARS old and still the top 3 men's 800 time ever. (Let's not count the tie with Amos for now.) A quick glance through the IAAF all-times and I think this is the oldest top 3 in a commonly run men's event.
Coe should start wearing a shirt at pressers that says "I've run 1:41, have u?"
I think so. The guy (doped or not) was born to run the 800m. He and Coe are equally suspicious to me. I of course would never claim to know they were clean.
Coe and Rudisha are equally suspicious? That doesn't make sense. At least David Rudisha was sired by a 45.xx or 46.xx 400m man. Try to list Coe's elite athletic relatives.
Regardless of the possible background detail, Coe was a supreme athlete in his day subject to the same conditions as everyone else. Four Olympic medals, including two 1500m golds, is outstanding. Plus the world records.
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Regardless of the possible background detail, Coe was a supreme athlete in his day subject to the same conditions as everyone else. Four Olympic medals, including two 1500m golds, is outstanding. Plus the world records.
with coe, there was no epo, it was pre epo days, and hgh, no, and steroids, no at 121 pounds and no muscle groups that grow by them selves with roids,
there was blood doping and transfusions, B12, and other tricks, to consider, and a lot of that grey area stuff, was called sports medicine, and legit,
the takeaway is that in coe we're not talking about an el g, morcellii, said aouita, ramzi, etc type of manufactured athlete.
people need to know that the 330 can be run without super shoes, super tracks, and drugs period. and this was done by bayi, walker, cram, ryan, and "probably" the brits coe, ovett, etc. without drugs.
with that said, there is a vacuum in sports med techniques in that british era moorcroft, ovett, coe, elliot, etc. after viren, scandanavia, europe in general bought into blood doping.
there would have been dabbling of sorts, and not necessarily with the intent to cheat, but the medical therapies employed, in time may be seen as over the line, or in the grey area.
I think so. The guy (doped or not) was born to run the 800m. He and Coe are equally suspicious to me. I of course would never claim to know they were clean.
Coe and Rudisha are equally suspicious? That doesn't make sense. At least David Rudisha was sired by a 45.xx or 46.xx 400m man. Try to list Coe's elite athletic relatives.
Lol, I once pointed out that Manangoi's father had sired over 20 children, and the usual rent-a-mob screamed racist at me.
You are actually comical to make a doping accusation against somebody because they did not have any world class sporting ancestors.
Rudisha's father was certainly not beyond suspicion. Like the rest of the 1968 Kenyan Olympic team, his form mysteriously plummetted after Keino had led a team rebellion and got their South African sports scientist coach/manager the sack (for 'taking too much of the credit). Then, like the rest of the Kenyan team, he suddenly got his form back the moment Keino and the others successfully begged him to come back. The Kenyan 68 team was probably more doped even than the present Kenyan team.
Then it began to go bad. Slowly at first, then all too obviously, like fish left on the dock. By August of this year, when I went to Kenya to see Keino and the others, the glow of high purpose had faded and the Kenyans were a jangling medley of neglected excellence and growing doubts. Performances had steadily fallen off, or there were no performances. Star athletes had taken to skipping meets. Times were poor. ..None of the statistics for the two-day meet were outstanding, nor were they much better the next weekend when the Kenyans won the East African Games at Dar es Salaam. After that they flew down to Zambia, and there they all took a real rest: Keino ran 5,000 meters in 14:35.1, more than a minute slower than his best. Temu ran 10,000 meters in 30:32.7, two minutes off. Kiprugut's 800 meters (1:49.5) was four seconds off his best. The Kenyan sprinters, who had been coming on a year ago and were being advertised as a new thrust for Mexico City, were going badly. Rudisha could not even beat the local talent. "At this stage in his development," commented one correspondent, "I doubt Rudisha could outrun his clumsy Masai cattle."
I think most people are focused on winning medals and not the WR. Also, most of the talent seem to be focused on 1500m and longer distances. 800m is a very hard race to 'pace'. it's more of a run for your life in the 2nd lap kind of race
If Coe had retired in 86 when blood transfusions became illegal, like El G retired when epo testing came in, or Rudisha retired when the ABP started catching athletes, it would have been suspicious. He didn't. He ran low 1:43 at 32.
This guy actually told me Coe’s performance isn’t suspicious. Get a load of this.
I don't think anyone with the word, 'Russiya' in their name is in any position to cast aspersions on anyone! It is almost impossible that no journalist/newspaper/Russian despot has come forward with any evidence that suggests he doped. With his post athletics political career and his Presidency of WA coming in the wake of Diack's corruption, UK journalists would have found something by now if there was something.
One of the most amazing things is the time Coe had to beat to set his first British 800 record. 1.48.1. Just puts his 1.41 into prospective. He ran 1.47.7 indoors to break the 1.48.1
That was indoors, when the UK only had 1 indoor track; a wooden one at RAF Cosford; and there were far fewer competitions indoors at that time. The indoor WR by Grippo was only 1:46.4.
Coe's first UK record outdoors came later in 77, 1:44.95. It took him 4 years to get down to 1:41.73.
Only on suffered from taxoplasmosis from blood transfusions.
Blimey, ignorance is bliss isn't it. People like you shouldn't be allowed to post on here.
Coe's father, Peter, was an engineer to ran a cutlery factory in Sheffield!! That is in no way a scientist or chemist for goodness sake. At least check the truth before posting.
Drug testing, 2023 is better than 1981 drug testing. That's the most logical reason no one can race sub-1:42 800m anymore.
Always felt Coe was dirty.
Cram too,
Ovett last clean WR holder in the mile and 1500m.
Coe 1st dirty one
I think they were all clean, but your reasoning is pretty comical. Ovett's agent and the best man at his wedding was Andy Norman, who practically run UK athletics at the time from his police desk. He was also in charge of the 'random' drug testing of UK and foreign athletes at all UK athletic fixtures. His influence allowed Ovett to pick and choose where and when he ran (at home and in Europe), as opposed to the rest of the UK team at the time (including Coe), who were contracted to run a specific number of meaningless races at home, in order to be allowed to run on the European circuit. There have been several accounts of him purposely not testing more elite foreign visitors when competing on UK soil, while picking Coe almost every time he ran. I'm pretty sure that he'd have loved to catch Coe, as Ovett's main rival. He didn't, because Coe was almost certainly clean.
Conclusion, if any of the 3 Brits is likely to have doped, it is almost certainly Ovett. He had the connections to get away with it and/or stop him from being tested in the first place.
I reiterate, I in no way think Ovett doped, I'm just playing Devil's advocate to baseless accusations against Coe, from someone who has nothing to offer other than being an Ovett fan.
I think they were all clean, but your reasoning is pretty comical. Ovett's agent and the best man at his wedding was Andy Norman, who practically run UK athletics at the time from his police desk. He was also in charge of the 'random' drug testing of UK and foreign athletes at all UK athletic fixtures. His influence allowed Ovett to pick and choose where and when he ran (at home and in Europe), as opposed to the rest of the UK team at the time (including Coe), who were contracted to run a specific number of meaningless races at home, in order to be allowed to run on the European circuit. There have been several accounts of him purposely not testing more elite foreign visitors when competing on UK soil, while picking Coe almost every time he ran. I'm pretty sure that he'd have loved to catch Coe, as Ovett's main rival. He didn't, because Coe was almost certainly clean.
Conclusion, if any of the 3 Brits is likely to have doped, it is almost certainly Ovett. He had the connections to get away with it and/or stop him from being tested in the first place.
I reiterate, I in no way think Ovett doped, I'm just playing Devil's advocate to baseless accusations against Coe, from someone who has nothing to offer other than being an Ovett fan.
You're wrong. Ovett demonstrated higher level 200m & 400m talent from age 12 or 13. As Ovett trained as an 800m man more and more, Ovett's 800m talent caught up to his 200m & 400m talent. I know Cram was a non-factor in Coe's 1979 3:48.xx or 3:49.xx Oslo mile w.r. I can't comment on his p.e.d. use. I've stated my opinion on Coe and what it took for him to sprint 46.xx 400m.
However, blood doping was common in that era and toxoplasmosis was very rare among healthy young men, while much more common among blood dopers, and Loughborough University, where Coe trained, ran public advertisements, which I have seen, for volunteer test subjects for steroid research during the time that he was there. That was where Coe transformed from a run of the mill decent teenage runner who would not be competitive with any of the top fifty American high schoolers today to a world historical athlete whose legacy is still being debated forty years later.
The Brits were dominant. It wasn't just the big three, and Peter Elliott as an Andy Murray.
Who can put together a list of World Class English in the 70/80s - from 800 to marathon including Steeple. If it was China we'd be up in arms.
Testicular cancer and a pulmonary embolism isn't a good look for Steve Scott. Producing world beating high school kids who burn out by the time they are 21 isn't a good look for rampant roid abuse among American teens. Seems like the yanks were always on the burrittos and 'pre-workout supplements'.
However, blood doping was common in that era and toxoplasmosis was very rare among healthy young men, while much more common among blood dopers, and Loughborough University, where Coe trained, ran public advertisements, which I have seen, for volunteer test subjects for steroid research during the time that he was there. That was where Coe transformed from a run of the mill decent teenage runner who would not be competitive with any of the top fifty American high schoolers today to a world historical athlete whose legacy is still being debated forty years later.
Can you name some blood dopers who developed toxoplasmosis?
Do you consider being English schoolboys 3000m champion and the European junior 1500m bronze medalist to be 'run of the mill'?
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