I think Kipchoge is doping based off of Emma Coburns statement

What’s cheesy FS mean?

Emma’s comment can apply to any outlier athlete - Jakob, Cheptegei, Kiplimo, Kipchoge, Jepchirchir, Kosgei, Gidey, Kipyegon, Hassan, Chepngetich. Ok that seems like she has something against the Africans but realize Shericka Jackson, Noah Lyles, SAFP, Nasser, Miller-Uibo, Mu, Sydney, Warholm, Thompson-Herah are outliers too. It is dumb to generalize to Kipchoge when Emma seems to be mostly calling out outlier athletes in her event. I will say I agree with Rojo that the women’s steeple doesn’t get the fastest runners and 8:45 should not be an outlier. No offense to Frerichs but she’d finish behind about 15 US athletes in the 3k maybe more.* And she’s run 8:57. We don’t think 8:20 capable runners should be way faster?

*Monson, Schweizer, Cranny, Sinclaire, St. Pierre, Tuohy, Henes, Morgan, Andrews, Kelati, Dani Jones, Infeld, MacLean

Similar to L. Armstrong ?! He was also the best, and some others did it too :)

I’m planning to run at college levels. I’m 27 and I’ve taken injectable peptides, creatine, and even ibutamoren throughout the years of weightlifting I’ve done.

Do we really think that ACTUAL competitive athletes with pro or scholarship potential or who already have contracts and can win race money aren't doping?

I’m a lightweight. I don’t drink, smoke, dip, snort, vape, or use drugs, so that’s SAYING something, that I’ve even injected or eaten things to increase growth hormone and wound healing. Hell, I've even taken Sudafed as a fat burner and performance enhancer. Again it’s crazy to think that athletes with more than their heart’s goals on the line aren’t using any kind of assistance they can get

Nobody is off limits and testing is far from perfect. If he is though he played the elder statesman Yoda figure like a magician. I honestly stopped getting excited about Africans running fast. So many disappointments that it's better to not get excited.

Not sure if Coburn is a doper but a lot of ladies ahead of her in steeple probably were. The bottom line is Africans will cheat for economic reasons. They would be stupid not too. Not cheat and get nothing while others cheaters take home the paycheck. Cheat and get something or maybe get caught and get nothing. It's a no loss game for them. The worst is they wasted time training.

If Kipchoge got caught for doping, I wouldn't be surprised at all.

If any of you would be surprised, that's probably a bit naïve of you.

You're making a case that any outlier athlete could be doping. It's a good case and likely true.

You know until you went with the throw away insult at Greg (who has had nothing to do with this thread), i was actually reading your thoughts with consideration. After that, not so much.

It wasn’t an insult of him. People will downvote him no matter what he says… I was only referring to downvotes being a compliment on this site at times

I wish people would stop referring to others as "irrelevant".

It makes you sound like the biggest tweenie, testacle-less douchebag imaginable.

Calling 90% of people "pathetic sheep" is really not the best way to get your message across or to be persuasive. Honestly, given the rampant amount of doping that goes on in distance running, it shouldn't seem strange that the fastest of all time might also be getting a boost. And your explanation for why Kipchoge comes across as so likeable as a form of compensation for doping is certainly credible. But telling people how stupid they are and that their down votes really mean that you are right is not how to convince others, or how to encourage a real discussion.

Wow. Can we apply such wisdom to Ingebrigsten too then?

He was world champion in the 5,000m at age 18 in 12:52, beating two goats in that race El Gerrouj and Bekele. He is a freak to be able to do that. And apparently he's even better at the marathon. It's not like he came out of nowhere to be best in the world, he was best in the world at one point as a teenager and has a lifetime of top level training under him which allows him to run great marathons with 'modest' marathon volume around 110-120 mile weeks to keep from getting injured and be incredibly consistent.

Only three currently active US runners have ever run faster than Frerichs at 5000; I am sure she can throw down a seriously fast 3000.

USA All-time 5000 list

1) Houlihan 14:23.92 (2020) BANNED
2) Schweizer 14:26.34 (2020)
3) Monson - 14:31.11 (2022)
4) Rowbury - 14:38.92 (2016) RETIRED
5) Huddle - 14:42.64 (2014) MOVE TO MARATHON
6) Flanagan - 14:44.80 (2007) RETIRED
7) Jacobs - 14:45.35 (2000) RETIRED
8) Cranny - 14:48.02 (2020)
9) Frerichs - 14:50.06 (2020)
10) Norris - 14:51.02 (2021)
11) Kastor - 14:51.62 (2000) RETIRED
12) Schneider - 14:52.04 (2021)
13) Cooper - 14:52.37 (2021)
14) Sisson - 14:53.84 (2021) MOVE TO MARATHON
15) Infeld - 14:54.09 (2021)

briguy: what a pathetic handle! You are the most insecure person on the planet and need cynicism to add value to your life, which is most likely worthless.

Don't take up communications or journalism as a career, or even a hobby, son.

The attack on the so-called "Let's Run babies," is about as amateur as one can get. There may be "babies," here but there is also a wide range of people with various backgrounds who visit the site. They range from the illiterate (ahem) to high level coaches, athletes, physiologists, journalists among others.

Wasn't "funny" either; no satire career for you.

In regards to Eliud Kipchoge being dirty or not, Let's Run can hold you accountable as they are accountable for allowing your defamation to sully their pages.

Nike has more money for lawyers, than you will ever be able to imagine. Good luck.

Why would Kipchoge even need to dope, he's a grown ass man who weighs 52kg?

I don't know maybe a little thyroid medication to stay that small, but that's not even doping right?

Most of the top US marathoners have an engine that could carry a 52kg chassis sub 2, problem is they don't have 52kg chassis.

What's doping? Kipchoge has been constantly tested and always passed. Doping has to be defined by the tests. Otherwise, in a world full of "supplements", caffeine and pharmaceuticals and various TUEs, it's what anyone claims or concocts and all records become meaningless.