So in other words, the AIU didn't say "systematic" -- but a young reporter at an online publication did, in a headline. Kinda grabs your attention and makes you want to read it, doesn't it? Almost subliminal.
Maybe the adjectives have the same meanings, but the nouns they modify are different. In the article, David Howman said "doping in Kenya is increasingly well organised" and the "insidethegames.biz" headline says "criminal systematic doping cover-up operation".
Would the above Grade School English graduate still consider these meanings the same?
David Howman doesn't even say it is well organised, but just that it is more than before.
It is unlikely that a Grade School English graduate would consider the two headlines to convey the same meaning.
The first headline suggests that doping in Kenya is becoming more coordinated and structured, while the second headline implies that there is an intentional effort to conceal evidence of systematic doping through criminal activity.
The language used in the two headlines is quite different, and a Grade School English graduate would likely be able to understand the basic differences in meaning conveyed by the headlines.
If it is well-organized it is undoubtedly systematic. It may even be systemic, if it's widespread enough. But I get that with the difficulties you have with English this is hard for you.
As a bonus, yet another Kenyan (running for Kazakhstan), Norah Jeruto (the winner of the last WC steeple), has just been suspended by the AIU. Like falling rain.
Rekrunner can be annoying as FUCC and he is wrong about certain things, but he is smarter than you and generally more careful the way he uses language than you are. Try to occasionally learn something instead of arguing like a recalcitrant fool all the time.
By backing the ineptitude - and lies - of rekrunner you have just put yourself in the category you describe.
A criminal "medically-savvy operation helping athletes cover up doping offences".
Both Nalyanya and Lempus told the AIU that they had received intramuscular injections while being treated at the same Kenyan hospital and produced medical documents to support their claims. In both instances, the AIU discovered that the documents were false, the doctors were invented, and that neither athlete had received the injection.
This is what they're calling "medically-savvy"? False documents and invented doctors? What a low-rent operation. Couldn't even get real doctors to sign documents.
A state-sponsored system would've had real doctors and documents available.
It wasn't said to be "state-sponsored", dimwit. But a systematic process, as it was described, can easily be part of a "well-organised" doping culture - which Kenya is. You missed, that in the breaking of this story yet another top level Kenyan has been popped. Their sport has lost all credibility.
A criminal "medically-savvy operation helping athletes cover up doping offences".
This is what they're calling "medically-savvy"? False documents and invented doctors? What a low-rent operation. Couldn't even get real doctors to sign documents.
A state-sponsored system would've had real doctors and documents available.
how can you all not understand what is going on? or the definitions of words?
there are doctors that have an organized method of distributing PEDS to individuals and helping them skirt testing and bans. these dozens of drug busts are not individual athletes that have gone rogue, they are all organized through a complex scheme led or assisted by corrupt doctors.
systematic - done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical.
if dozens of people are receiving PEDS from the same individuals, then are using the same mechanisms to try to skirt the drug ban, that is by definition SYSTEMATIC because it is done according to a fixed plan.
i am just surprised it took the AIU this long to suspect them, it's been obvious for DECADES.
All correct. The morons here have hung themselves up on the semantic difference - there is none - between "systematic" and "highly-organised" (what system isn't?) and remain wilfully blinded to the fact that Kenyan sport is corrupt, as the AIU has proven yet again. That's what a serious doping problem means. The absurdity of this thread is that it has just been superseded by yet another high profile Kenyan bust. But keep arguing about the meaning of words, guys. The problem will seem smaller if you do. Like a "war" is only a "special military operation".
If it is well-organized it is undoubtedly systematic. It may even be systemic, if it's widespread enough. But I get that with the difficulties you have with English this is hard for you.
As a bonus, yet another Kenyan (running for Kazakhstan), Norah Jeruto (the winner of the last WC steeple), has just been suspended by the AIU. Like falling rain.
So -- I guess your answer is still "no".
Widespread? The article said "at least two". Lol. Maybe three if you count Zane.
So they are the only two runners in Kenya who have been busted? You take the practice of lying to new levels.
how can you all not understand what is going on? or the definitions of words?
there are doctors that have an organized method of distributing PEDS to individuals and helping them skirt testing and bans. these dozens of drug busts are not individual athletes that have gone rogue, they are all organized through a complex scheme led or assisted by corrupt doctors.
systematic - done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical.
if dozens of people are receiving PEDS from the same individuals, then are using the same mechanisms to try to skirt the drug ban, that is by definition SYSTEMATIC because it is done according to a fixed plan.
i am just surprised it took the AIU this long to suspect them, it's been obvious for DECADES.
Exact quote: the AIU discovered that the documents were FALSE, the doctors were INVENTED, and neither athlete had received the injection.
First off, they're talking about two athletes, not "dozens". Second, there were no doctors.
If it is well-organized it is undoubtedly systematic. It may even be systemic, if it's widespread enough. But I get that with the difficulties you have with English this is hard for you.
As a bonus, yet another Kenyan (running for Kazakhstan), Norah Jeruto (the winner of the last WC steeple), has just been suspended by the AIU. Like falling rain.
Rekrunner can be annoying as FUCC and he is wrong about certain things, but he is smarter than you and generally more careful the way he uses language than you are. Try to occasionally learn something instead of arguing like a recalcitrant fool all the time.
"It seems that elite Kenyan athletes are being assisted by a person or persons, including someone with considerable medical knowledge, to commit what amounts to criminal conduct involving frauds on the AIU, and that this is not limited to a single case but evidences a pattern of behaviour,' the Disciplinary panel said in a statement."
adjective done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical. "a systematic search of the whole city"
It is clear that the doping in Kenya is well organized with agents and medical doctors directly aiding and facilitating the doping among athletes and helping the athletes evade detection. It is a widespread and entrenched doping culture, and whether people characterize it as endemic or systematic or ubiquitous is besides the point.
Widespread? The article said "at least two". Lol. Maybe three if you count Zane.
So they are the only two runners in Kenya who have been busted? You take the practice of lying to new levels.
Are you switching goalposts on purpose, or are you oblivious to it? The problem with substituting definite nouns with indefinite pronouns is that you quickly lose sight of what the real claim is.
If "at least two" is a lie, it comes verbatim from a cub reporter at "insidethegames":
"An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to try and cover up doping offences" after similarities were found in at least two recent tampering cases involving Kenyan athletes."
Note these Kenyan athletes did the same thing as your compatriot Zane -- the words "medically-savvy operation" and "systematic" and "well organized" never came to my mind when talking about Zane's tampering with the process. The word "crime" did come up, but not in the context of lying to the anti-doping authorities with fake documents, and fake doctors, but for his public admission of smuggling EPO from Ethiopia.
Rekrunner can be annoying as FUCC and he is wrong about certain things, but he is smarter than you and generally more careful the way he uses language than you are. Try to occasionally learn something instead of arguing like a recalcitrant fool all the time.
By backing the ineptitude - and lies - of rekrunner you have just put yourself in the category you describe.
Exact quote: the AIU discovered that the documents were FALSE, the doctors were INVENTED, and neither athlete had received the injection.
First off, they're talking about two athletes, not "dozens". Second, there were no doctors.
Quick shocking that the nation that has the most advanced, proactive and successful testing system on the planet has allowed these low-rent criminals to get away with these things for so long.
You would think they, of all people, would have had a handle on it.
So they are the only two runners in Kenya who have been busted? You take the practice of lying to new levels.
Are you switching goalposts on purpose, or are you oblivious to it? The problem with substituting definite nouns with indefinite pronouns is that you quickly lose sight of what the real claim is.
If "at least two" is a lie, it comes verbatim from a cub reporter at "insidethegames":
"An anti-doping disciplinary tribunal convened by Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) has concluded that there is a "medically-savvy operation helping athletes to try and cover up doping offences" after similarities were found in at least two recent tampering cases involving Kenyan athletes."
Note these Kenyan athletes did the same thing as your compatriot Zane -- the words "medically-savvy operation" and "systematic" and "well organized" never came to my mind when talking about Zane's tampering with the process. The word "crime" did come up, but not in the context of lying to the anti-doping authorities with fake documents, and fake doctors, but for his public admission of smuggling EPO from Ethiopia.
That's your best shot? Of course it is. Anything on the subject of the thread? Nope. Above your pay grade.
Senility comes early to some. I have been debating on this thread, and others that deal with doping, with you and others and you have no recollection of it. That must be because the only opinions you recognize are your own.
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It is likely the AIU has uncovered the tip of an iceberg. Doping will be far more an integral part of Kenyan sporting culture than has previously been recognized. Doping doesn't need to be "state-sponsored" to be "systematic" i.e. highly-organised. It can exist like a black market or criminal subculture, except that the participants are athletes, coaches, doctors and suppliers. The torrent of doping busts in recent years will be a fraction of the extent of the practice. No other country is presenting such a carnival of doping busts (outside the one country that has been banned from international competition), despite being subject to the same methodologies of testing as apply to all. In essence, doping will be the norm in Kenyan sport.
That's your best shot? Of course it is. Anything on the subject of the thread? Nope. Above your pay grade.
Senility comes early to some. I have been debating on this thread, and others that deal with doping, with you and others and you have no recollection of it. That must be because the only opinions you recognize are your own.
Is that what you think "debate" means?
Of course you predictably lost the topic of the conversation by replacing nouns with "it".
Whatever you and others were saying is not relevant to "Systematic? Did the AIU say "systematic"?" This was not used by a young journalist to describe "doping" but to describe the AIU allegedly saying "systematic doping cover-up operation" based on a "pattern" of "at least two".
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