Colin Sahlman 13:42 5k

I know that girls have a history of completely flopping after HS (Cain, efraimson, Fairchild) but is this suddenly starting to be a trend with boys too?

Is the new definition of "flopping" not improving as a freshman?

good race

flopping? you can probably count the number of freshman who have run faster than 13:42 on two hands.

It just Makes Brosnan look like an even better coach

Nope. It has always happened. Go track the top 10 milers of every year and some get faster. Some don't.

And 13:42 is far from flopping. It just isn't a big step forward. It isn't a regr

Several analyses using different methods have come up somewhere around there. Not digging them all up as a diversion to a thread, but here's Geoff Burns' (a scientist doing shoe testing) take:

Pretty much yes. If you don’t get better than your hs times you are by definition a flop

CS faster time than the Athlete Special.

Nice result in Sahlman's first outdoor track race in college. It is only April 2nd. He has a couple of months to sharpen as the weather warms up. It takes time to adjust to college, a different training style, different weather, and especially the altitude.

Or Lindgren, or Verzbicas, or Cheserek...like Sahlman was good (for one school year, yes I know COVID probably prevented him from achieving more) but let's have some perspective here.

Finally a US HS runner capable of taking down Rudy Chapa's 10,000 record and it's a kid w<50 <1:50, <4mi and ~60 miles/week.

Don’t forget that he is also currently the #1 NAU runner over 1500m this outdoor season with a 3:47.26 performance.

He is one of only two NAU runners who have run sub 3:53 this outdoor season.

in your first race? bozo

He has already run 5 races during the indoor season and this was his second race outdoor.

His absolute college bests are now:

1:49.5

3:47.2

4:03.7

13:42.9

Seems you consider him elegible for HS records at this point. I guess he may have not graduated. At my school, I had to go to the office, fill out some forms, drag a few papers around campus and have various people sign, stuff like that. An hour or 2 of red tape. If not, I didn"t actually graduate. If you can find a loophole somewhere, maybe he is still in high school by some definition. But.....

He hasn't broken any HS records yet anyway. The only scenario in which a debate about his HS status is relevant would be if he goes under an existing record.

I think Gary Martin did better with the 3:56 mile.
I think Isiah Givens of Colorado and Isiah Stuery from Notre Dame have impressed me the most.

What about Harrison Reindhart at Oregon or Zane Bergen at Stanford? Are those guys busts at this point?

Fastest freshman in the 5k standings so far...

I don't understand why most people here think everyone who appears to be a gifted athlete in high school will most certainly improve as time goes on. He probably will, but give it a break! He could've gone to any program in the country and ran 13:42. The school and coach rarely have anything to do with it when it comes to the genetically gifted who want to put in the work. For those that don't want to put in the work, that's a different story.