I believe it was the thing to do back then. Try to be like Kenyan. Didn't he or his brother marry a Kenyan too? Bob Kennedy trained with Kenyans and he did well back in the day. I would never do it even if I had the talent to run at that level. It's very uncomfortable life.
I believe it was the thing to do back then. Try to be like Kenyan. Didn't he or his brother marry a Kenyan too? Bob Kennedy trained with Kenyans and he did well back in the day. I would never do it even if I had the talent to run at that level. It's very uncomfortable life.
Bob Kennedy trained with some Kenyans in Europe. He did not train in Kenya.
The fact that the Robertsons are pretty much the only high profile people to do this (I can acknowledge maybe there are some others, but not on the same level as them) versus international athletes entering the NCAA system shows that it's not really the best option for young athletes. In retrospect, do you think the Robertsons wish they would have just gone to the NCAA? I wonder if they might feel that way.
This is a valid question because since 2016 at least, Zane (not Jake) has been very vocal about how much he hates Kenya and Kenyans. He made a big deal about moving to and being based in Ethiopia but, inexplicably, couldn't stay away and kept returning, even moving back with his Ethiopian wife at some point. From Kenya's point of view, no one has brought as much bad publicity to the country and its running scene as he has. Not even actual dopers.
Hopefully, when his visa runs out, leaving Kenya for the last time would be the best outcome for both Zane Robertson and the country. Sever all ties and start anew somewhere else.
That’s quite an impressive feat. Kenya is a large country to move. I would of thought he would of started with a small island country like Jamaica. Those drugs must make a skinny dude very strong.
That’s quite an impressive feat. Kenya is a large country to move. I would of thought he would of started with a small island country like Jamaica. Those drugs must make a skinny dude very strong.
1. Before EPO, no Kenyan broke 2:09 for the marathon, and they had no runner in the top 150 all time fastest for either the marathon or half-marathon. 2. What success they had on the track before EPO was due being effectively full-time professional runners in a largely amateur sport, able not only to run full-time, but to compete into their mid thirties (compared to the likes of Bannister and Snell, working or studying full time, and having to retire at their peak by age 25.)
Coe ran 2 seconds faster than Mike Boit. Ovett trounced Rono at Rono's event while waving to the crowd. Keino NEVER came close to reproducing his (highly suspicious) performance in Mexico. His fastest sea level 1500m was 3:36.9. Jim Ryun had run 3:31.1 Less than 10 years later and Coe and Ovett were running 3:31.
Before EPO, no Kenyan had broken 3:32.5. That performance (Kirochi) was the 57th best of all time. It took over 19 years for a Kenyan to run (0.03 seconds) faster than Jim Ryun (1986 - Cheryiut). Before EPO, Brazil had more performances in the top 25 all-time 800m list than Kenya. Before EPO, only four Kenyans had broken 13:14 for 5000m, and one of those was suspended for evading tests, and another's brother later banned for EPO use. Before EPO, ZERO Kenyans had broken 2:09 for the marathon, while FOUR Japanese had, THREE Australians, THREE Ethiopians, and TWO Brits had.
Ovett beat a very tired RONO over 2 miles after rono raced 52x in 1978… I don’t remember Ovett running 7:32, 8:05st, 13:08 & 27:22 that particular year or ever.
Ryun ran 3:51.1 & 3:33.1 (1967)..not the 3:31.1 you quote. Bayi in 1974 ran 3;32 and 3:51.0 in 1975
Last I checked it was Kenya dominating the sport, not the US.
Last I check there are no financial opportunities in Kenya. If he ran in the US it would be like fi$hing with dynamite. The opportunities on the track and roads are endless. There are no money races in Kenya.
And he would have a higher chance to be extremely irrelevant in the sport. No one looks at a podium in a track or road race and think "hug, guess I ought to go learn running from the americans". Ps: If you haven't noticed its fully possible to travel from Kenya to race. There is a chap called Kipchoge that does it often, look him up. Sad he didn't move to the US to train when he was young though, that would obviously help advance his career.
I realize there are mostly morons occupying the board these days, but the twins moved to Africa to really become the best they could be. They had no desire to cheat at all, they wanted to replicate a Kenyan runners life to the max. In many ways they did, and they did well because of it. Trained hard lived simple, zero distractions. Sadly they didn't have the connections and NZ never helped them to get sponsors, much of that is their fault too.
Anyway I believe Zane was clean for much of that time, and he grew frustrated over time, being broke and without sponsors and turned to doping.
FWIW I think Jakes clean.
Also there is a noticeable difference in how they moved to Kenya vs. Julien Wanders, who worked within the system and went there when he was older and wiser with sponsorship.
Anyway I believe Zane was clean for much of that time, and he grew frustrated over time, being broke and without sponsors and turned to doping.
FWIW I think Jakes clean.
Also there is a noticeable difference in how they moved to Kenya vs. Julien Wanders, who worked within the system and went there when he was older and wiser with sponsorship.
The evidence clearly says he’s not clean regardless of his excuses:
1) he failed a dope test
2) he faked documentation
3) he presents he was given EPO instead of a COVID jab before admitting to taking it
4) he has openly admitted to knowingly injecting himself with EPO.
The evidence says he’s a cheat plain and simple
But if you want to think his is the behaviour of a clean athlete; you do you.
Anyway I believe Zane was clean for much of that time, and he grew frustrated over time, being broke and without sponsors and turned to doping.
FWIW I think Jakes clean.
Also there is a noticeable difference in how they moved to Kenya vs. Julien Wanders, who worked within the system and went there when he was older and wiser with sponsorship.
The evidence clearly says he’s not clean regardless of his excuses:
1) he failed a dope test
2) he faked documentation
3) he presents he was given EPO instead of a COVID jab before admitting to taking it
4) he has openly admitted to knowingly injecting himself with EPO.
The evidence says he’s a cheat plain and simple
But if you want to think his is the behaviour of a clean athlete; you do you.
You are correct on everything but he finally admitted everything so am I missing something? I guess you could say he was doubly dishonest but now that he has come apparently clean I don't think there's much more that he could do.
Once again I firmly believe that he was clean for almost his entire career except for the blip in Manchester last year but of course I can't prove that.
To be honest, I feel sorry that he's kind of ruined his career and his life to a certain degree I feel a certain sense of compassion and empathy. 16 years in Kenya and he concedes that he has no friends there and he had a wife but then went through the divorce - quite honestly it's not a very good time for Zane R.
The evidence clearly says he’s not clean regardless of his excuses:
1) he failed a dope test
2) he faked documentation
3) he presents he was given EPO instead of a COVID jab before admitting to taking it
4) he has openly admitted to knowingly injecting himself with EPO.
The evidence says he’s a cheat plain and simple
But if you want to think his is the behaviour of a clean athlete; you do you.
You are correct on everything but he finally admitted everything so am I missing something? I guess you could say he was doubly dishonest but now that he has come apparently clean I don't think there's much more that he could do.
Once again I firmly believe that he was clean for almost his entire career except for the blip in Manchester last year but of course I can't prove that.
To be honest, I feel sorry that he's kind of ruined his career and his life to a certain degree I feel a certain sense of compassion and empathy. 16 years in Kenya and he concedes that he has no friends there and he had a wife but then went through the divorce - quite honestly it's not a very good time for Zane R.
how can you feel empathy for him and not the people he CHEATED? he stole olympic championship spots from clean athletes. He broke records of clean athletes and took prize money away from clean athletes. he wouldn't have had this career if it werent for the doping.
how can you assume he was clean prior to this? do you not have a brain? he started doping and ran slower than his previous clean times? NO WAY. He deserves all of the shame and misery that he is experiencing now. he's lucky he's not in jail, what he did should be a criminal offense.
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