What is your training like? If you run those times off 30-40 miles per week, that’s a big selling point. It shows you have a ton of upside. You could go to a DI coach and tell them about how you’re undertrained and can tun way faster with an increase in mileage.
I’ve often seen your comment about coaches wanting to recruit guys that ran minimal mileage in H.S. I would question why he was so unmotivated and be skeptical about him suddenly becoming dedicated.
He's right. But it's harder to get noticed, and only some coaches will buy into it. I was a 4:25/9:25/15:40 runner who didn't get a ton of scholarship interest (a lot of preferred walk-on spots at a lot of places).
I ran ab 10-15 miles a week in high school and had no clue what I was doing. Local D1 coaches knew this as they were familiar with the fact that nobody good had ever come out of my area, offered my large $$, and I ended up paying it off for them, IMO, I got much faster than others with my HS PRs
Even though my acedemics and times are slight below OP, will I revive similar interest from top schools compared to him?
You should be hearing from a ton of schools in any case--most with your SAT score will--and there should be some solid D3 colleges and universities among them.
PS: academics
You actually read this post? Slightly worse will "revive similar interest"? Really?
And that helps anyone how? You didn't tell us the school or conference or region. Oh. It didn't happen? I have coached for a long time. I routinely have guys faster than that. They don't get and money. Those times woukd have a hard time walking on today but I guess you kid started before the huge time drop.
I’ve often seen your comment about coaches wanting to recruit guys that ran minimal mileage in H.S. I would question why he was so unmotivated and be skeptical about him suddenly becoming dedicated.
He's right. But it's harder to get noticed, and only some coaches will buy into it. I was a 4:25/9:25/15:40 runner who didn't get a ton of scholarship interest (a lot of preferred walk-on spots at a lot of places).
I ran ab 10-15 miles a week in high school and had no clue what I was doing. Local D1 coaches knew this as they were familiar with the fact that nobody good had ever come out of my area, offered my large $, and I ended up paying it off for them, IMO, I got much faster than others with my HS PRs
Why would you run 15 mpw and why would you even want to run in college? You say you had no clue but you could have easily done some research online or talked to runners from other schools. Why did your coach want to sabotage your running career?
He's right. But it's harder to get noticed, and only some coaches will buy into it. I was a 4:25/9:25/15:40 runner who didn't get a ton of scholarship interest (a lot of preferred walk-on spots at a lot of places).
I ran ab 10-15 miles a week in high school and had no clue what I was doing. Local D1 coaches knew this as they were familiar with the fact that nobody good had ever come out of my area, offered my large $, and I ended up paying it off for them, IMO, I got much faster than others with my HS PRs
Why would you run 15 mpw and why would you even want to run in college? You say you had no clue but you could have easily done some research online or talked to runners from other schools. Why did your coach want to sabotage your running career?
1.) I played 3 other sports in High school while I ran. I wasn't solely focused on running like most athletes are. I didn't bother to research because I was playing other sports and enjoying myself with what I was doing. In my small areas I won everything under the sun, then went and placed in the top 5 at state both my junior and senior years in Xc/Track.
2.) I chose to pursue running in college because I was most highly recruited in it as a sport, and like I said earlier, wanted the big scholarship money I was offered
3.) How did my coach sabotage my running career? Sure they were a little oblivious to true training, but I went on to be a great D1 college runner. I won multiple conference titles on the track, was top 40 in regional XC, and made outdoor track regionals twice, all from a relatively small school. Sure I never made D1 NCAA's, but neither do most.
Why would you run 15 mpw and why would you even want to run in college? You say you had no clue but you could have easily done some research online or talked to runners from other schools. Why did your coach want to sabotage your running career?
1.) I played 3 other sports in High school while I ran. I wasn't solely focused on running like most athletes are. I didn't bother to research because I was playing other sports and enjoying myself with what I was doing. In my small areas I won everything under the sun, then went and placed in the top 5 at state both my junior and senior years in Xc/Track.
2.) I chose to pursue running in college because I was most highly recruited in it as a sport, and like I said earlier, wanted the big scholarship money I was offered
3.) How did my coach sabotage my running career? Sure they were a little oblivious to true training, but I went on to be a great D1 college runner. I won multiple conference titles on the track, was top 40 in regional XC, and made outdoor track regionals twice, all from a relatively small school. Sure I never made D1 NCAA's, but neither do most.
I meant your coach wanted to sabotage your career. Top 5 in state at 15 mpw and then a great D1 runner? You’re quite the outlier.
If you’re aiming for an Ivy League probably most, if not all of them (probably not for an athletic scholarship though).
If not, those times can get you on most D1 schools. That’s just my opinion though
The ivy league offers no athletic scholarships period, unless you assume they will start soon due pending lawsuit.
OP for the ivies and the top d3 schools MIT, Williams, amherst, swarthmore, Chicago you would sit right in the sweet spot. Just fast enough to be interesting, and just smart enough to get in without coach burning 1 of his 'help' slots. If your family can pay the bill, you'd get in to school of your choice. If your family earns less than $150k annually, you would get a ton of financial aid.
If you are looking for athletic schol, you'd have to try the better d1 academic schools, but you might not be fast enough.
note that the swarthmore campus is decrepit, despite huge endowments. not a pleasant place
I have 4.0 GPA, 1500 SAT. Lets say I run the times above by the end of my junior year, would i receive interest from ivys, or other top academic colleges? It would help me come up with a list of target schools
I ran almost identical times 30 years ago(didn’t have the same grades) but I was offered next to nothing from most schools, the ivys offered a bunch of grants that would have covered about 50%, but still way to expensive?
I don’t even know what they look for nowadays - my top choice’s current recruits are basically sub 4 milers or sub 15 XC runners. Even at the one I was legacy at, I had no interest with a 9:10; money wasn’t an issue either
People make these claims on here but we know how the world works. There are 9:00 guys getting no money.
I graduated college before COVID so yes, times have changed a little, maybe since I was there. But, Regardless, if you have a 9:00 guy getting $0, he's looking at the wrong schools. Will a 9:00 guy get money from a top-30 XC program? Maybe not. Will he get money from basically any team within spots 5-20 of most regions? 100%.
Or maybe he was a 9:30 guy that ran 9:00 senior year and was already committed, which is a different case
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1.) I played 3 other sports in High school while I ran. I wasn't solely focused on running like most athletes are. I didn't bother to research because I was playing other sports and enjoying myself with what I was doing. In my small areas I won everything under the sun, then went and placed in the top 5 at state both my junior and senior years in Xc/Track.
2.) I chose to pursue running in college because I was most highly recruited in it as a sport, and like I said earlier, wanted the big scholarship money I was offered
3.) How did my coach sabotage my running career? Sure they were a little oblivious to true training, but I went on to be a great D1 college runner. I won multiple conference titles on the track, was top 40 in regional XC, and made outdoor track regionals twice, all from a relatively small school. Sure I never made D1 NCAA's, but neither do most.
I meant your coach wanted to sabotage your career. Top 5 in state at 15 mpw and then a great D1 runner? You’re quite the outlier.
While yes, I may have been the outlier, the point stands still that you can get more money if you're running well off of crappy training. A lot of college coaches stay away from certain High School programs because they train their runners into the ground, and despite being HS powerhouses, their runners are not great in college. It works in the reverse also
Elementary schools. You could get a LOT of interest from them. And trust me, with your times, you will kick ass at a school like that. Go after your dream !
Nope. Top distance schools pay more for tip distance runners. Schools finishing 5-20 have fewer total scholarships or they put money into sprints. Yes I have had 9:00 guys walk on at schools finishing 15th in the region over the past 2 years. I have a kid who ran 9:07 as a junior last year and he hasn't found a home yet for next year. He started the process last summer. He has a 31 on the ACT and is a great kid. He is trying to get a small scholarship but has been offered no scholarship even though he has contacted every one of the 50 schools within a 300 mile radius. He is likely to walkon at our state school which is not very good at distance running. He will be a top 5 guy as a freshman.
Nope. Top distance schools pay more for tip distance runners. Schools finishing 5-20 have fewer total scholarships or they put money into sprints. Yes I have had 9:00 guys walk on at schools finishing 15th in the region over the past 2 years. I have a kid who ran 9:07 as a junior last year and he hasn't found a home yet for next year. He started the process last summer. He has a 31 on the ACT and is a great kid. He is trying to get a small scholarship but has been offered no scholarship even though he has contacted every one of the 50 schools within a 300 mile radius. He is likely to walkon at our state school which is not very good at distance running. He will be a top 5 guy as a freshman.
I know multiple D1 college coaches in the Northeast Region who would pay a good amount for a 9:07 Junior. I bet he doesn't want to run in the snow though does he?
A lot of the 5-20 schools in the NE don't even really fund sprints at all.
Binghamton, Buffalo, Siena, Marist, Maine, Umass Amherst, Canisius, Vermont, New Hampshire, Bryant from Northeast
Bucknell, Rider, Lehigh, Duquesne, UMBC in Mid-Atlantic
I could name more too. Maybe not all these schools would provide offers, but I can guarantee more would than would not. It all depends on how many are graduating/coming back