HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE 400 IS THE SHORTEST MIDDLE DISTANCE?!
Amazing times today, it has been huge
I appreciate all the downvotes, but it’s true. Try doing 400m with front-side sprint mechanics. You won’t, nobody can. It is not a sprint, the mechanic is totally different. It is a very fast run.
The best overall sprinters/runners can do both, but they are few and far between. WVN runs fast with exceptional 400m endurance, but his 100m is only 9.94 and his 200m only 19.84. Ackbar, no way was he doing anything in the 100m. Powell, no way he was doing anything in the 400m, and he ran it completely differently in any case. Anyone taking Gardiner in the 100? BJ in the 400?
Someone here should take a look at the 400 times of the top 10 or 20 100m performers all-time, and the top 800m performers all-time. Yeah I know the problems, but it would be fun to see. Say, 9.80-and-under 100m guys. Gay and Gatlin and esp Kerley did well, but BJ? Greene? Coleman? Powell 45.94? Carter 47.46? Blake 46.32? Bromell? Bolt 45.28👍. Jacobs? Mullings 49.51? Omanyala? Many of these guys don’t even have listed 400m times, it would have been so brutal. And you could go higher: Bailey, Surin, Vicaut, Lewis, Bracy, Burrell, etc.
A guy like Kerley is interesting, it will be fun to see how he does his upcoming 400 in Oz. LMAO I would love to see him attempt a front-side 400, no matter the time.
Women, though, are an interesting case.
Also interesting would be to restrict it to the top 5: Bolt, Blake, Gay, Powell, and Gatlin would have a pretty fast average; about the top-5 800m guys, idk. Rudisha 45.5? Kipketer? Coe 46.87? Amos 44.99? Cruz?
NCAA Division I Indoor Championships, Convention Center, Albuquerque, NM, USA (March 10, 2023) 49.48 #2 Time EVER!
Is the endurance stuff a new way to train for the 400?
This thread is hilarious. Endurance training isnt a new concept at all. Phyllis Francis was a good 400/800 athlete in her collegiate days. That training model doesn't work for all athletes so yeah coaches can attempt to train in that manner but its not like it will always translate to what wilson did. She is a special athlete and as a 400hurdler the 800 mimics a similar lactic threshold.
Old PB but a whole second slower than Diggs at 200m and probably still slower at 200m.
I was at the meet yesterday and was told by someone from Arkansas that knows her workouts that she is very fast in the 200 but she just hasn't run one yet.
She is definitely not a whole second slower than Diggs.
Old PB but a whole second slower than Diggs at 200m and probably still slower at 200m. Probably a more 400m version of Athing and 400-600 probably best distances. Not a 800m runner
She would of won The NCAA 800 Today and if she dropped the 400 Hurdles and wanted to be a 800 Runner, Athing Mu would have major competition from Wilson
You have no idea what you're talking about. Britton Wilson hasn't run enough 800's to understand championship level 800 tactics. Plus just because someone is a great 400 runner doesn't automatically make them a great 800 runner.
Competition for McLaughlin this year with Bol and Wilson in the 400 Hurdles? After that 50.69 It looked like McLaughlin would have no Competition for years, but Bol and Wilson have improved their flat 400 immensely, so maybe she will hav e competition
Wilson doesn't do 14 steps and Bol is going to try for the first time this season, while conceding she doesn't know how it will work out or even if she'll carry 14 through hurdle 3, 5 or 7 before reverting to 15 steps.
McLaughlin is so far advanced with the step pattern. She already goes 14 through 7 and looks more refined every season. Plus she's also the fastest coming home from 8 to 10. Bol seldom covers 8 to home in less than 16 seconds while McLaughlin's best split is 15.28 and her norm is 15.5 territory.
The flat speed among the 3 is a heck of a lot more competitive than when translated to hurdles. That's why it would be silly for McLaughlin to switch to 400 flat and surrender her greatest advantages.
Tokyo was much more competitive than it should have been, because McLaughlin screwed up on hurdle 9, chopping to 16 steps. Somehow that never became a topic in the aftermath of the race. She actually downshifted from 16 on 9 to 15 on 10. That never happens in 400 hurdles. Once you go up you either stay at that number or go up even further.
If McLaughlin not not messed up hurdle 9 in Tokyo she would have run something like 51.15. There would already have been a pronounced gap over Muhammad and Bol. Instead an entire offseason was devoted to the competitive nature of that event. It was nonsense.
McLaughlin took it out so fast in Eugene she reached hurdle 8 in 35.0, compared to 36.0 in Tokyo. That blows the doors off the field. None of the others are capable of sub 36 right now. McLaughlin admittedly struggled coming home, after such a torrid early pace. Her 15.68 -- though tremendous for anyone else -- was the slowest she's been in years. This season the emphasis will undoubtedly to maintain or slightly improve on the 35.0 level while not faltering quite as much coming home.
But those gains at best case will logically be a tenth or two, not the huge block that was still available to her last year simply via not screwing up the step pattern on 9.
You do realize the attention span of most on this site?
Thank you anyway. Enjoy remembering the days when posters actually knew what they were talking about.
I dont believe any current athletes will ever outperform McLaughlin over 400 hurdles. She's on a level of her own.
Competition for McLaughlin this year with Bol and Wilson in the 400 Hurdles?
After that 50.69 It looked like McLaughlin would have no Competition for years, but Bol and Wilson have improved their flat 400 immensely, so maybe she will hav e competition
How is it possible that you post so often but you still don't understand track that well?
Sydney's hurding technique is much better than Bol and Wilson. Plus Bol and Wilson take 15 steps between hurdles while Sydney only takes 14 steps for the first 7 hurdles.
Bol and Wilson have a long way to go before they get to Sydney's level.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE 400 IS THE SHORTEST MIDDLE DISTANCE?!
Amazing times today, it has been huge
I appreciate all the downvotes, but it’s true. Try doing 400m with front-side sprint mechanics. You won’t, nobody can. It is not a sprint, the mechanic is totally different. It is a very fast run.
The best overall sprinters/runners can do both, but they are few and far between. WVN runs fast with exceptional 400m endurance, but his 100m is only 9.94 and his 200m only 19.84. Ackbar, no way was he doing anything in the 100m. Powell, no way he was doing anything in the 400m, and he ran it completely differently in any case. Anyone taking Gardiner in the 100? BJ in the 400?
Someone here should take a look at the 400 times of the top 10 or 20 100m performers all-time, and the top 800m performers all-time. Yeah I know the problems, but it would be fun to see. Say, 9.80-and-under 100m guys. Gay and Gatlin and esp Kerley did well, but BJ? Greene? Coleman? Powell 45.94? Carter 47.46? Blake 46.32? Bromell? Bolt 45.28👍. Jacobs? Mullings 49.51? Omanyala? Many of these guys don’t even have listed 400m times, it would have been so brutal. And you could go higher: Bailey, Surin, Vicaut, Lewis, Bracy, Burrell, etc.
A guy like Kerley is interesting, it will be fun to see how he does his upcoming 400 in Oz. LMAO I would love to see him attempt a front-side 400, no matter the time.
Women, though, are an interesting case.
Also interesting would be to restrict it to the top 5: Bolt, Blake, Gay, Powell, and Gatlin would have a pretty fast average; about the top-5 800m guys, idk. Rudisha 45.5? Kipketer? Coe 46.87? Amos 44.99? Cruz?
hmmmmmm…..
Most here aren't listening. Fantasy track for fanboys only on this site.
Women's metabolisms require more aerobic training than men's when it comes to the 400-800m range. Also, this performances was at altitude. I suspect she might not be able to do this outdoors at sea level. Still, an amazing performance.
NCAA Division I Indoor Championships, Convention Center, Albuquerque, NM, USA (March 10, 2023) 49.48 #2 Time EVER!
Is the endurance stuff a new way to train for the 400?
SMH...just because she ran more 800m races than open 400m races indoors in 2023 doesn't make her an 800m runner. She is also a 400 hurdler and can clearly run a fast 200m as well.
Heck, Michael Johnson did a fair amount of endurance training and he was a 2/4 guy. Early season Clyde Hart athletes did a lot of aerobic sessions that fit right into typical 800m training methods.
