Very scary that Bernie Sanders rants all the time about this and never thought about it. When he is forced to think about it, he disagrees with all his ranting. This is a mental illness called cognitive dissonance. It has now become systemic. Thanks for sharing.
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Equality means treating everyone the same regardless of gender, age, religion, race, etc. If I want to lead the WA council, it shouldn't matter my gender, age, race, or religion. If I can garner enough votes I get to lead. The issue with that becomes clear when we all realize that society is male dominated and women have a hard time getting into leadership positions because of that bias towards males.
Equity not only means women, in this case, have the opportunity to lead but WA will mandate that the number of women who will have leadership positions will increase. There's nothing wrong with that as women should be able to be in leadership positions.
An easy example to see where equity is and is not in play. NCAA Div 1 basketball. In Men's basketball there is not one woman who is a head coach. In Women's basketball there are both men and women head basketball coaches. Why is that? Can a woman not draw up a good game plan for men or is there another reason? Men can coach women, but women can't coach men?
Equality of opportunity only goes so far when the deck is stacked against you. Equity makes things more fair at least temporarily. Rojo, you seem to be for equity with mandating a VP who is female, just not mandating the board changes.
How many top male top-athletes can you name for any given event ? How many female ? Surely far less, eventhough they put out the same work, the same dedication. They aren't less smart. Now, they enjoy less fame because of many reasons which deserve some investigations : interest from either gender for the counterpart's performances, media focus on male symbolic times (4' mile, 2h marathon, ...).
In short, the athletic achievments are less acknowledged, and studies show that scholar success is harder to achieve for girls. Mix the two and you get : unequal opportunities ! In my opinion, which I think is closer of the social sciences consensus, what Coe calls equity is merely the minimum effort. Happy to see so many misogynist freaking out there.
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Equity is basically equality of outcome which is antithetical to the main concept of elite sport - someone wins, someone loses.
Equality of opportunity is what I'm for.
If your idea of "equity" is "Equity is basically equality of outcome which is antithetical to the main concept of elite sport - someone wins, someone loses," then it's no wonder you're against it. You've got the concept quite wrong.
Equity and equality refer to resources, not outcomes. Equity is a way of saying equality of outcome, but recognizes allocating resources based on a person's ability to use them.
Equity is basically equality of outcome which is antithetical to the main concept of elite sport - someone wins, someone loses.
Equality of opportunity is what I'm for.
If your idea of "equity" is "Equity is basically equality of outcome which is antithetical to the main concept of elite sport - someone wins, someone loses," then it's no wonder you're against it. You've got the concept quite wrong.
Equity and equality refer to resources, not outcomes. Equity is a way of saying equality of outcome, but recognizes allocating resources based on a person's ability to use them.
From Fox news:
"Bernie Sanders mocked for failing to differentiate equity vs equality: 'Everybody knows the difference'"
Should we insure that the 100 final be 17% indian, 18% chinese, to match their global population shares? Should the NBA mandate that 75% of the players be white and 18% hispanic to match the US population?
I think we should ensure those things but I'm not sure what buying insurance has to do with it.
That sounds great - I'm all for having a female VP and multiple female board members and a diverse council. But one quote really caught my attention. I am very much against the idea which hs very publicly claims he is for - equity. Let me quote him directly.
“It was an important part of the reforms we introduced in 2016. In today’s world, it is not enough to provide equal opportunity, we must provide equity.
“In order to achieve true equity in our sport, it is important that we offer our female athletes, administrators, and officials the tools and environment they need to be empowered to pursue careers at all levels of athletics.
“Be it by setting quotas for female representation on our Council, or providing more flexible learning and development opportunities that better suit women’s commitments – we are absolutely dedicated to making our sport equitable and representative for all.
I think its important to note that equal outcome does not necessarily mean quota. Please see the portions of the quote I bolded above. Providing equal opportunities by for example adding part time positions, better maternity leave, reducing sexual harrassment etc. are ways to help make the opportunities more fair to increase representation without a quota per say. Do you disagree with doing these things? Should we not reduce sexual harrassment, not allow part time work, etc?
I think Rojo agrees in spirit because equality of opportunity is equity. You are reducing the barriers to entry while keeping the opportunities merit-based. An illustration:
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Equality means treating everyone the same regardless of gender, age, religion, race, etc. If I want to lead the WA council, it shouldn't matter my gender, age, race, or religion. If I can garner enough votes I get to lead. The issue with that becomes clear when we all realize that society is male dominated and women have a hard time getting into leadership positions because of that bias towards males.
Equity not only means women, in this case, have the opportunity to lead but WA will mandate that the number of women who will have leadership positions will increase. There's nothing wrong with that as women should be able to be in leadership positions.
An easy example to see where equity is and is not in play. NCAA Div 1 basketball. In Men's basketball there is not one woman who is a head coach. In Women's basketball there are both men and women head basketball coaches. Why is that? Can a woman not draw up a good game plan for men or is there another reason? Men can coach women, but women can't coach men?
Equality of opportunity only goes so far when the deck is stacked against you. Equity makes things more fair at least temporarily. Rojo, you seem to be for equity with mandating a VP who is female, just not mandating the board changes.
Just want to point out that giving people equal opportunity to participate as fully as possible in society - including in sports and sports governance - does not really mean "treating everyone the same."
It actually means acknowledging that people are not all the same. It means recognizing that whilst everyone might be theoretically equal in terms of our overall human worth and dignity, in practical reality individuals and groups differ in often significant ways based on factors such as sex, age, height & size, physical abilities, health, creed/religion, ethnic heritage, place of origin and current nationality, native language and language spoken at home, socieconomic status, literacy and educational level, parental status and caring responsibilities, current home or living situation, sexual orientation, immigration/refugee status, etc.
In addition to recognizing these sorts of differences where they matter, equality of access and opportunity further means enacting measures that take into account, and make accommodations for, the differences amongst people that are significant so as to insure that certain individuals and groups aren't overlooked, put at a disadvantage or left out entirely.
For example, in the runup to the Tokyo Olympics, officials announced Covid visa rules and travel restrictions that had the de facto effect of being unfairly discriminatory towards breastfeeding athletes, coaches and vital support staff. Because the officials who made the rules were all men who never considered that breastfeeding mothers might be competing or closely involved in the Olympics.
Caroline Criado-Perez's book "Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men" provides extensive documentation of how the belief that "equality means treating everyone the same" regardless of sex has ended up actually denying female people a fair shot in many areas of life and depriving us of the same sorts of opportunities to participate fully in society as males. Because as Criado-Perez points out, when designers, lawmakers and policy writers treat "everyone the same," the default human being they usually have in mind and use as the model for "everyone" is almost always male.
I think it's good news that World Athletics has declared that one of its goals is to get a greater representation of women on its governing Council, in athletics leadership positions, in media attention given to athletes, and in sports adminstration training programs so that more women will be in the pipeline to play important roles in athletics administration in the future. But the thorny issue is how, exactly, will WA go about accomplishing this? It's going to be a lot more complicated than it looks on the surface, and the devil is in the details, as the saying goes.
I am also heartened that the WA press release says that WA high command has also decided to require "each of our 214 Member Federations across the globe to implement individual safeguarding policies by end of 2023." Instituting strong safeguarding should go a long way to making athletics more hospitable to female athletes and administrators. And when it comes to sophisticated safeguarding philosophy, law, policies and practices, Seb Coe's home country is a world leader.
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Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.
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