In this case, I stopped a thread that was needlessly harrassing Kara Goucher and started a new one. So I did the opposite of what you allege.
As for the article, I simply wrote a factual article talking about how a bunch of alums, many of them quite prominent, came out in support of the coaches. I didn't see any other running pubications reporting this fact and thought that was ridiculous as the allegations were widely reported in prominent publications. I'm all for reporting both sides.
But I also linked to the accusations at hand. And I also mentioned some of the names of the prominent alums not on the list.
You seem to be upset that it's a fact that I reported a former NCAA champ says Wetmore did the opposite of encourage an eating disorder.
What else do you want me to do? Figure out every alum not on the list? I didn't want this to turn into a focus of individuals but maybe it's worth mentioning some other names not on there that are prominent: Olympian Shayn Culpper, Olympian and long time assistant Billy Nelson, former assistant Jay Johnson aren't on the list. There you go.
(1) you don't want me to post the TRUTH here about how you are constantly pushing your agenda on the boards?
a REAL story would ask the question whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders. And you could find facts and people on both sides. Will you do that? I'm asking
(2) "Factual article." Okay, and written with the AGENDA to shame the victims. Reporting is about finding the truth, not about reinforcing your preconceived notions.
(3) There is plenty of information about how Wetmore created situations that encouraged eating disorders. But did you do any reporting on this? No, of course not. Will you? No, you won't. Because you have an AGENDA
(4) What do I want you to do? I want you to actually do some REAL and BALANCED reporting.
What you need to do is what I already said: a story that asks whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders? Your reporting, assuming you know how to report, will find people on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the reader can MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS
So when the entire Salazar saga happened and the BroJos were definitely not taking his side did you demand them to write a balanced article with reports from many of his supporters saying that he never did the type of things he was accused of as far as supporters/ friends / family were concerned? Did you demand that FAIR and BALANCED report in that case?
(1) you don't want me to post the TRUTH here about how you are constantly pushing your agenda on the boards?
a REAL story would ask the question whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders. And you could find facts and people on both sides. Will you do that? I'm asking
(2) "Factual article." Okay, and written with the AGENDA to shame the victims. Reporting is about finding the truth, not about reinforcing your preconceived notions.
(3) There is plenty of information about how Wetmore created situations that encouraged eating disorders. But did you do any reporting on this? No, of course not. Will you? No, you won't. Because you have an AGENDA
(4) What do I want you to do? I want you to actually do some REAL and BALANCED reporting.
What you need to do is what I already said: a story that asks whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders? Your reporting, assuming you know how to report, will find people on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the reader can MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS
Did you demand that FAIR and BALANCED report in that case?
Yeah they should and could have done an investigation of their own. but they didn't, did they?
To be honest I don't remember the details. They may have. But I felt their coverage was pretty much one sided and an anti-Salazar [ as almost all of the media coverage was. And *maybe* it deserved to be. ]
It seems like this story broke in Nov of 2022, with small updates happening in Dec.
It's good that letsrun did this consolidation of what happened yesterday, but does anyone know why all the sudden they decided to release this?
One of the updates from December was that this support list was being created. And it wasn't being facilitated by Kara Goucher but by another, more recent athlete. Did they just feel like they completed the list? Is something else happening?
Great to see. Everyone wants to be a victim in todays worlds. One girl that was raised poorly shouldn’t be able ruin someone’s career that did nothing wrong
Agreed. Saw her running times online. Nothing to write home about, and frankly she should be grateful UCo even brought her on as a walk on. Another "victim" that needs to complain and try to intentionally ruin someone's career. How about just leave if you don't like the coaching style?? No one else seemed to have these issues, sorry hard to believe you were targeted and not even one of the top runners
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So Kara deleted her post. I really don’t like when people put out opinions/statements on social media only to delete because of negative responses. Almost like the assume everyone with just go along with what they say and can’t stand behind their own words.
(1) you don't want me to post the TRUTH here about how you are constantly pushing your agenda on the boards?
a REAL story would ask the question whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders. And you could find facts and people on both sides. Will you do that? I'm asking
(2) "Factual article." Okay, and written with the AGENDA to shame the victims. Reporting is about finding the truth, not about reinforcing your preconceived notions.
(3) There is plenty of information about how Wetmore created situations that encouraged eating disorders. But did you do any reporting on this? No, of course not. Will you? No, you won't. Because you have an AGENDA
(4) What do I want you to do? I want you to actually do some REAL and BALANCED reporting.
What you need to do is what I already said: a story that asks whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders? Your reporting, assuming you know how to report, will find people on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the reader can MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS
So when the entire Salazar saga happened and the BroJos were definitely not taking his side did you demand them to write a balanced article with reports from many of his supporters saying that he never did the type of things he was accused of as far as supporters/ friends / family were concerned? Did you demand that FAIR and BALANCED report in that case?
Doubt it. MonkeyBusinness has it’s own agenda here.
I don’t even like Rojo but they are reporting on events as they happen. Regarding Wetmore it sounds like he knows his athletes and who will be ok with off color comments like the ones in RWTB and who he needs to be serious with regarding weight loss.
So when the entire Salazar saga happened and the BroJos were definitely not taking his side did you demand them to write a balanced article with reports from many of his supporters saying that he never did the type of things he was accused of as far as supporters/ friends / family were concerned? Did you demand that FAIR and BALANCED report in that case?
Doubt it. MonkeyBusinness has it’s own agenda here.
I don’t even like Rojo but they are reporting on events as they happen. Regarding Wetmore it sounds like he knows his athletes and who will be ok with off color comments like the ones in RWTB and who he needs to be serious with regarding weight loss.
Who is MonkeyBusinness?
No agenda at all. I'm objectively stating the truth that Rojo doesn't know what journalism is. Rounding up a bunch of people who support Wetmore is not journalism. JOURNALISM, means investigating the actual claims. Maybe the claims are true, maybe they're not. But merely inventorying all of the people who either support or don't support Wetmore IS NOT JOURNALISM
Well the story and investigation is ongoing. And LetsRun isn’t selling this story as their own investigating journalism.
So why are you getting so triggered because some of Wetmores former athletes put out a statement that goes against your agenda? Because it kind of sounds like you just want confirmation of your pre-conceived bias. Ya clown.
Well the story and investigation is ongoing. And LetsRun isn’t selling this story as their own investigating journalism.
So why are you getting so triggered because some of Wetmores former athletes put out a statement that goes against your agenda? Because it kind of sounds like you just want confirmation of your pre-conceived bias. Ya clown.
I have NO agenda or NO preconceived bias. I have NO idea whether the allegations are true or not
Please don't call me a clown, Alan. It's a waste of government spending for you to be posting here during the day
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Great to see. Everyone wants to be a victim in todays worlds. One girl that was raised poorly shouldn’t be able ruin someone’s career that did nothing wrong
Agreed. Saw her running times online. Nothing to write home about, and frankly she should be grateful UCo even brought her on as a walk on. Another "victim" that needs to complain and try to intentionally ruin someone's career. How about just leave if you don't like the coaching style?? No one else seemed to have these issues, sorry hard to believe you were targeted and not even one of the top runners
Gen Z female with borderline DI high school times getting 2 years to be a walk-on at Colorado. It would have taken everything to go perfectly right for her to succeed there as she likely doesn't have the talent or personal drive to make it in a perennially top 10 program. Very lucky she was given that shot and I agree it's very likely she has concocted a "her truth" type of story here to explain why she didn't make it at a school she wasn't good enough to run at.
In this case, I stopped a thread that was needlessly harrassing Kara Goucher and started a new one. So I did the opposite of what you allege.
As for the article, I simply wrote a factual article talking about how a bunch of alums, many of them quite prominent, came out in support of the coaches. I didn't see any other running pubications reporting this fact and thought that was ridiculous as the allegations were widely reported in prominent publications. I'm all for reporting both sides.
But I also linked to the accusations at hand. And I also mentioned some of the names of the prominent alums not on the list.
You seem to be upset that it's a fact that I reported a former NCAA champ says Wetmore did the opposite of encourage an eating disorder.
What else do you want me to do? Figure out every alum not on the list? I didn't want this to turn into a focus of individuals but maybe it's worth mentioning some other names not on there that are prominent: Olympian Shayn Culpper, Olympian and long time assistant Billy Nelson, former assistant Jay Johnson aren't on the list. There you go.
(1) you don't want me to post the TRUTH here about how you are constantly pushing your agenda on the boards?
a REAL story would ask the question whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders. And you could find facts and people on both sides. Will you do that? I'm asking
(2) "Factual article." Okay, and written with the AGENDA to shame the victims. Reporting is about finding the truth, not about reinforcing your preconceived notions.
(3) There is plenty of information about how Wetmore created situations that encouraged eating disorders. But did you do any reporting on this? No, of course not. Will you? No, you won't. Because you have an AGENDA
(4) What do I want you to do? I want you to actually do some REAL and BALANCED reporting.
What you need to do is what I already said: a story that asks whether Wetmore created an environment that encouraged eating disorders? Your reporting, assuming you know how to report, will find people on BOTH sides of the aisle, and the reader can MAKE THEIR OWN OPINIONS
So, Monkey Brains, I have read your multiple posts and will put my reply here.
You want Rojo to run a PARALLEL investigation into the allegations against Wetmore, Burroughs and Anderson while CU is doing their investigation?
You want him to interview everyone on their teams from 2017-2019 or all years? Kate Intile's allegations have already been featured in the Washington Post, Runners World and athleticsillustrated.com. None of those media outlets have launched their own investigation and the first two have more money to do so than LRC.
This is not the first collegiate XC/T&F program to have this sort of investigation in the past few years.
Since you seem so passionate about this subject, have you considered investigating and writing about it yourself? Free lance journalism. Or maybe you are already a journalist working for someone?
IMO, Rojo is doing an excellent job of reporting what is happening in this case. His reporting is balanced, so far. CU has not even announced the results of their investigation yet.
More information will come out in time.
Since you call yourself Monkey Brains, are you in a cage or in the wild? Kidding.
I have no dog in this fight ... She has a book to sell, however, so it's understandable that she can't risk turning off any potential customers. It's entirely predictable that anyone who was a Buff all-American would sign on. No surprise that Jay Johnson isn't on the list, a bit more unexpected to not see Billy Nelson, Alan and Shayne Culpepper, Joe Klecker, or pro level marathoners Laura Thweatt and Carrie Verdon listed. Also no Madison Boreman, Rachel McArthur, Lalo Herrera, John Dressel, or Ben Saarel. And that's only those who are fairly prominent names, these 44 are just a small fraction of the varsity runners from about 30 years of Wetmore's coaching career there. They just had a track and xc reunion a couple years ago, they should have contact info from the alumni office for everyone still connected to the program
I have no dog in this fight either, but I think it's unfair to judge anyone who has not "gone public" with a statement if they have no first hand knowledge of the situation. They can reach out privately to either party to express their support or whatever.
In this case, I stopped a thread that was needlessly harrassing Kara Goucher and started a new one. So I did the opposite of what you allege.
As for the article, I simply wrote a factual article talking about how a bunch of alums, many of them quite prominent, came out in support of the coaches. I didn't see any other running pubications reporting this fact and thought that was ridiculous as the allegations were widely reported in prominent publications. I'm all for reporting both sides.
But I also linked to the accusations at hand. And I also mentioned some of the names of the prominent alums not on the list.
You seem to be upset that it's a fact that I reported a former NCAA champ says Wetmore did the opposite of encourage an eating disorder.
What else do you want me to do? Figure out every alum not on the list? I didn't want this to turn into a focus of individuals but maybe it's worth mentioning some other names not on there that are prominent: Olympian Shayn Culpper, Olympian and long time assistant Billy Nelson, former assistant Jay Johnson aren't on the list. There you go.
I want to also add one thing--at least one of the accuser's names are public. Say what you will about this person, but she does not have the platforms that these athletes have. Posting this, without knowledge of what did or did not happen to that accuser can be seen as targeting her too. Again, there were 44 athletes who wrote stories, but Kara in particular has been an advocate for victims.
Apologies in advance for the lack of brevity.
How does the accuser not have the platform that the supporters have? It's an easy argument to make that her platform is materially greater than all those 44 combined base on the virility of the investigation.
I'm not sure I understand the blowback here when athletes act as character witnesses when their coach is under attack. It's the least they can and should do. If the accuser can publicly cast aspersions that will follow the coach and program in perpetuity, even if they are cleared, then certainly the supporters can cast their support. Kara is not a hypocrite for joining the list.
Another thing, the lack of participation to join the 44, in this day and age, is certainly understandable and attempting to read too much into it is troublesome.
I would add that the shakeup occurring in the coaching of distance runners at the competitive level is more positive than negative, especially as it relates to female athletes. Fleshman hit the nail on the head by stating that too many females drop out of the sport and all we've ever done is shrug our collective shoulders and not question the reasons behind that attrition.
Ultimately there is a fine line in successful, competitive coaching in sport. That line, to outsiders, will almost always look like abuse and, quite frankly, it probably was but it was a price to pay to get to the next level.
To insiders it's a lot more nuanced. Take it one step further, coaching competitive distance athletes and ultimately coaching competitive female athletes. To over generalize, the greats were all in, the good were mostly in, the mediocre were hardly in. What works for the greats almost never works for the mediocre so I believe the accuser when she says she was abused but her definition of abuse is likely the crux of the issue.
In the meantime, Monkeybrain and others can continue to get their panties in a wad and scream from their ivory tower, while some of us can just wait for the investigation to be completed and hope that the investigators do so in context. Or not, and then our sport will be materially worse off without the Wetmores of the world, because as the old saying goes, competitive distance running ain't for the faint of heart.
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