when did he leave? has only been with Smith this month, so these results are not attributable to him. are these still jerry results?
I think these are Marius' results. Per the interview, he spent November and December doing double threshold work three times a week solo. He spent January with NAU guys doing a mix of double t and specific work. Seems like he responds really well to that moderate intensity workout style.
Seems like Schumacher is an as$hole. The evidence:
1. The bullsh!t, obfuscation, and outright lies he told in that first press call after the Houlihan ban was announced.
2. Continued to coach a banned athlete and allow her to train with his group, with no regard to how it impacts the careers of his other athletes.
3. Ups and moves his group to a different location against their preferences and seemingly without consultation with this affected - let's not forget, he didn't have to stay as BTC head coach, he could have given up that job and left the group in Portland.
4. When one of his athletes wants to try something different, he doesn't wish him well and tell him he'll be great. Instead, he tells him he's throwing away his career. Classy.
People will say he gets results, that it doesn't matter if he never adapts his system (primarily for female athletes), he's tough, that's what makes him a good coach. It's just apologising for someone been an a$shole.
Seems like Schumacher is an as$hole. The evidence:
1. The bullsh!t, obfuscation, and outright lies he told in that first press call after the Houlihan ban was announced.
2. Continued to coach a banned athlete and allow her to train with his group, with no regard to how it impacts the careers of his other athletes.
3. Ups and moves his group to a different location against their preferences and seemingly without consultation with this affected - let's not forget, he didn't have to stay as BTC head coach, he could have given up that job and left the group in Portland.
4. When one of his athletes wants to try something different, he doesn't wish him well and tell him he'll be great. Instead, he tells him he's throwing away his career. Classy.
People will say he gets results, that it doesn't matter if he never adapts his system (primarily for female athletes), he's tough, that's what makes him a good coach. It's just apologising for someone been an a$shole.
Jerry chose drug cheat Shelby and uprooting the whole team to Eugene over his athletes interests and without their consultation, and he had the audacity to speak to Woody that way? He sucks more than I thought.
I can't believe he had that good guy" reputation for as long as he did. I mean, yes, we all were comparing him to sociopath Salazar, but considering it was he we who recruited Jerry out west, maybe the apple didn't fall as far from the tree as we thought.
Man, I’m really impressed with how he did last year considering he lost his father.
with how well the NAU boys are doing and how dominant Woody looked tonight, is double threshold the key?
Mike Smith was not the creator of double threshold, nor is he the best at implementing it. He gets the best athletes, that's all. Woody did 99% of his training for this before going to Smith, so Smith gets very little credit for it.
er but getting the best athletes is the most important skill for a coach to possess, no?
Jerry sounds like a juvenile boyfriend who has been dumped, "you'll never find someone as good as me ever again! You're going to regret this the rest of your life."
What coach with knowledge of physiology and a huge war chest that is tasked to produce world-beaters is going to base their camp at sea-level instead of altitude?
Meh, he ran an indoor AR and called out his old coach after he was out the door. I know that might look great up close but it doesn’t indicate anything profound. I don’t care for Schumacher but I’m not thirsty for dirt on the guy like so many on here. Woody probably just shot his wad.
This guy is likely going through a phase mourning the death of his dad. But this quote really seemed relevant to me:"I just want to show up and shoot the sh*t at practice and go out there and compete." Generation Z in a nutshell.
With the caveat that we don't have the full context or an exact quote, I have a hard time imagining anything else a coach could say that would make it clearer that they're not the kind of person you should want to work with.
First, the fact that a coach could even think that they're the only road to success makes me not trust their judgment. Does he really think there's only one way to run fast, only one good coach in the world, only one good training environment?
Second, and more importantly, even if you do think so, that's not something to tell an athlete that you care about.
The fact that Jerry "gets results" doesn't validate this kind of behavior. Coaches like Bob Larsen get results too, without resorting to manipulation to create a psychologically dependent relationship.
This guy is likely going through a phase mourning the death of his dad. But this quote really seemed relevant to me:"I just want to show up and shoot the sh*t at practice and go out there and compete." Generation Z in a nutshell.
With the caveat that we don't have the full context or an exact quote, I have a hard time imagining anything else a coach could say that would make it clearer that they're not the kind of person you should want to work with.
First, the fact that a coach could even think that they're the only road to success makes me not trust their judgment. Does he really think there's only one way to run fast, only one good coach in the world, only one good training environment?
Second, and more importantly, even if you do think so, that's not something to tell an athlete that you care about.
The fact that Jerry "gets results" doesn't validate this kind of behavior. Coaches like Bob Larsen get results too, without resorting to manipulation to create a psychologically dependent relationship.
Keep in mind Jerry’s coaching mentor is Martin Smith…..if you know a little about Martin, it should tell you all you need to know about how Jerry was taught to deal with adversity. This quote from Woody is classic Martin head game bs.
doing your own thing sounds nice for a bit. not so much for the long-term when you could be training with medal threats
I will make the opposite argument.
I said this on the pod (I think or did I post it here under an anonymous name?) but in my view he's not as talented as Grant Fisher. If he trains in the same system with Grant Fisher, doing the same workouts, how in the hell is he going to beat him?
The only way he'd beat him is if he didn't overdo things, doesn't get hurt and Grant does do those things.
It's this type of thinking that inspired David Epstein to write Sports Gene. He realized at Columbia, "wait a minute, there is a whole group of guys doing the same training by and large and some are great and some not so great."
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Happy for Woody. Always in the shadow of Ahmed and then Fisher/Centrowitz. But has a lethal kick on his day. He is not a time-trial kind of guy and probably needed to race more than the others, because he is a racer. Jerry (to me) seemed to put him in a box that wasn't the best for Woody, so it is good that he is now trying other things. That doesn't make Jerry a poor coach (far from it), rather some people he gets and fit into his system, others do not. That is the same for most coaches.
While some think that Woody and Klecker training together would be a good thing - I don't. Ahmed and Fisher work out (but even Ahmed should seek other help in areas Jerry may be deficient in for him) because they rep different countries. The multi-national (OAC) thing is good if competing in the same events. Too many guys training together fighting for the same spots is NOT a good thing psychologically. If you don't get that, or think the psychological dynamic doesn't matter, then please don't coach at that level, this isn't HS or even College.
Woody made it clear that he was upset about the move to Eugene and also the possibility of being a lesser priority due to Jerry coaching the Ducks.
Yet Mike Smith coaches the NAU team. How is that different than Jerry coaching the Ducks?
Plus moving from Portland to Flagstaff is a much bigger change than moving from Portland to Eugene.
Thank you. All the Jerry haters can go crawl under a rock.
People are misunderstanding the tone of Jerry's quote. People are acting like Jerry doesn't want Woody to be great. I'd bet my life that is wrong.
And people are assuming Jerry said it in an angry way.
There are few better coaching success stories in US pro history that I'm aware of than Jerry Schumacher and Woody Kincaid. I'm sure he wants Woody to be great. It's like a dad talking to his kid. You tell them your opinion, "I think you are making a mistake," they agree or disagree (and if they disagree it may motivate them) and life goes on.
And it's very funny that people are like "How dare Jerry coach a college team and pros at the same time" when Mike S does that as well and Jerry does because Phil MF Knight wants him to.