Outa the loop wrote:
Big name goes down. Is he still associated with Coach Ereng and Korir?
Yes, he and Korir both train together under Ereng and have done for years. This has to put both Korir's and Ereng's accomplishments under a cloud.
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Saruni had been declining since 2017. In 2018, he still ran sub-1:44. He ran 1:46 in 2022. But that doesn't mean that it was desperation that led him to drugs for the first time. Doping is absolutely rife in Kenya and wouldn't it stand to reason that if they're doping when they have dropped off, that their much better performances were achieved with doping? Testing has been getting more and more serious and only this year has it been that there have been so many getting caught that it begins to be plausible to suggest that every world-class Kenyan is doping.
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Outa the loop wrote:
CalicoCat wrote:
this probably isn't a big enough name for that one thread is it...?
Had it been Korir- definitely; but like you said, I don’t think Saruni would qualify as a big enough name that was referenced in that bust thread. I think the real question is the +\- link to Ereng and/or Korir. I have no idea of his current training or management.
It’s a troll thread like everything else on the first page. Someone made it up. Get it?! It’s so old now that alluding it has to do with this bust is asinine.
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Agent Bax wrote:
Yes, he and Korir both train together under Ereng and have done for years. This has to put both Korir's and Ereng's accomplishments under a cloud.
+1
Exactly like the BTC coaches and runners. No double standards!
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How long is the suspension?
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20-72 wrote:
Basically nobody is Kenya is clean.
"No human is limited".
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Jonathan Gault wrote:
Here's the full list of provisional suspensions currently in force by the Anti-Doping Agency of Kenya, which includes the new cases:
Jonathan, do you ever wonder why Ethiopian, Ugandan, Eritrean are never busted?
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El Keniano wrote:
Like Asbel Kiprop, so many of these runners get busted years after their peak, often on the final ebb of their decline. Assuming they were tested more when they were more competitive, this, to me, is the clearest sign of deliberate doping by athletes failing to come to terms with their diminishing abilities. Which is why I've never supported wiping all their times and achievements from the books for a doping bust five to ten years later.
You only hear about the ones who don't get busted in their peak years....
It wasn't like they were testing 4 years ago. The athletes need to adjust their usage patterns to deal with the new world of testing...
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xzcvzxcv wrote:
Saruni had been declining since 2017. In 2018, he still ran sub-1:44. He ran 1:46 in 2022. But that doesn't mean that it was desperation that led him to drugs for the first time. Doping is absolutely rife in Kenya and wouldn't it stand to reason that if they're doping when they have dropped off, that their much better performances were achieved with doping? Testing has been getting more and more serious and only this year has it been that there have been so many getting caught that it begins to be plausible to suggest that every world-class Kenyan is doping.
The thing is I think Saruni has been on the AIU testing list for some time. Never refused a test as far as we know. Obviously hasn’t gotten popped. Refusing a test is a silly thing to do especially at his age. It’s a guaranteed ban for a guy losing relevance every year drifting from his prime. And this was an ADAK test. What seems plausible to me is Saruni went to Kenya for Trials. He’s probably off the AIU list as of the last few updates. So he took something thinking there’d be no forthcoming test especially after finishing in 9th. But ADAK is testing everyone so they caught him red-handed.
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As a vice signaler with many directly racist remarks on these boards over the years, you don't need any help from people who withhold judgment until the evidence dictates how they judge, that is, those whom you call 'virtue signalers'.
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internet sales wrote:
Jonathan, do you ever wonder why Ethiopian, Ugandan, Eritrean are never busted?
First of all they are not never busted. Second, he explores this in his article on Kenya’s doping problems. Few hypotheses for Ethiopia: fewer elite runners, athletes easier to track as almost all are in Addis (eg agents can manage who they see for medical treatment etc), Kenyans are getting tested more (though the AIU seems happy with their testing in Ethiopia). In Kenya, there clearly is an economy around people pushing drugs onto athletes for money. Unclear if that really exists in Ethiopia.
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The Ethiopians are doping just as blatantly as the Kenyans. It is just a matter of setting up a better AIU testing infrastructure.
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astro wrote:
The Ethiopians are doping just as blatantly as the Kenyans. It is just a matter of setting up a better AIU testing infrastructure.
The AIU itself doesn’t seem to think so. Hey, you might be right but it feels like more if an assumption (if A is true, then B must be) then actual certainty.
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xzcvzxcv wrote:
I don't know about that link. This situates the bust with Michael Saruni, Kumari Taki (1500m), Sawe (2xAfrican champion hj), and others.
Was the High Jumper also training in El Paso? If so, it would appear that there was a system going on. There’s been a lot of PED connections to El Paso.
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