Who is getting school related NIL money as a new distance recruit? I’ve yet to see anything reported besides the $6k BYU girls get, assuming that wasn’t a one time thing.
Wouldn’t Donis have been a better choice than Ramses Cortes for UCLA? Maybe even a better choice than Caudillo for Cal Poly (we will see in the next 5 months)?
Donis runs 80 miles a week with college level volume workouts, colleges are staying away from him I hear.
Wouldn’t Donis have been a better choice than Ramses Cortes for UCLA? Maybe even a better choice than Caudillo for Cal Poly (we will see in the next 5 months)?
Cortes, yes. Caudillo, not even close. Caudillo is a generational talent that had an off race at NXN. So did talents of Aidan Cox, Lex and Leo, and Connor Burns.
I have seen his strata workouts and can confirm. His first week back after his break from NXN he did an 8 mile threshold on the track and 32 reps of 200m @32. How will he improve in college?
Noah Jenkins is committed to Southern Utah university.
That’s a huge mistake. Southern Utah fell off the face of the world this past year with their performances…numbers of top people transferred the past summer…really doesn’t look great compared to their last decade. Should’ve gone to byu
Wouldn’t Donis have been a better choice than Ramses Cortes for UCLA? Maybe even a better choice than Caudillo for Cal Poly (we will see in the next 5 months)?
Cortes, yes. Caudillo, not even close. Caudillo is a generational talent that had an off race at NXN. So did talents of Aidan Cox, Lex and Leo, and Connor Burns.
Donis beat Caudillo by 9s at Woodbridge, 12s at State, then beat him by 44s at NXN.
Doubtful that he gets a large scholarship with a good program
8th at NXN (7th senior and 0.9s away from 4th senior), but that does not earn a large scholarship. Why?
"Never give a scholarship to a cross country runner", were the words that coach JumboElliott allegedly said to JackPyrah, that Pyrah then relayed to me. The idea being that they more than likely can't help you in track. You can't turn a CC runner in to a miler, but you can make a miler a CC runner.
8th at NXN (7th senior and 0.9s away from 4th senior), but that does not earn a large scholarship. Why?
"Never give a scholarship to a cross country runner", were the words that coach JumboElliott allegedly said to JackPyrah, that Pyrah then relayed to me. The idea being that they more than likely can't help you in track. You can't turn a CC runner in to a miler, but you can make a miler a CC runner.
Mmm…. I don’t know how much of a XC runner he is…. Isn’t it the first year that he runs XC?
Yes but that was the question and the point. His track times are not recruitable. If he runs fast, he will find a home. If he doesn't, he may be D3 for a year.
Wouldn’t say a huge mistake. They have a history of developing athletes from nothing. They finished 9th in the country just last year (with 3 of their guys falling within the first half mile and only one of them being sub 9 out of high school) in Oklahoma, few points behind BYU. They returned 3 men from that 9th place team, who were significantly ahead of their 4 & 5 in every race this season, which is where they seemed to struggle. Their team seems to be young and with the addition of Jenkins, they should be back in no time.
Not against the kid, I’d hope he continue to develop as a runner. But while Doug soles (the herriman coach) has a great track record of creating legendary high school teams while at great oak, none of his greats from great oak have had successful college careers. Absolutely none. All of his sub 9, sub 4:10, runners who were apart of state, national team titles, had an impact on a competitive collegiate cross country team.
However, they all do go on to earn great educations, saving thousands of dollars due to their high school success.
I’m a huge fan of Utah running. Never was good enough, but I’m there at regionals every year it’s at BYU. The year SUU, BYU, and Utah state all broke the top 12 was phenomenal for the state of Utah. Let’s hope SUU rebounds, because none of their “top 3 returners” that you claim, appeared to have broken the top 50 at regionals. Or even performed to their state of fitness like that 2020 XC nationals race, and throughout that season. That goes against the “history of developing athletes”. If you would have told me SUU took a bad turn like this just a few years ago, I would have laughed in disbelief. Is it time for Houle’s impressive reign to retire? Or were there significant injuries this fall, like regionals 2019 when Josh Collins DNF’d and knocked out Weber’s chances to go to nationals? (Terrific team that year, they would have been top 15 as a team with Allen’s all American performance)
Plain curiosity, what went wrong? The young team is no excuse because of Covid eligibility making their athletes appear 2-3 years younger, and because they have had young athletes step up, their whole 2016 team were seemingly all babies with less impressive high school credentials. Utah fans could always rely on SUU making it to Nationals somehow, even after periods of doubt. Provo HS fanboys would look dumbfounded when SUU would have several athletes beat BYU’s scorers, even during their “rebuilding years”.
Hoping Talley can rebuild the Ogden based team into monsters again. The last few years, their team has been severely underrated, #2 team in Utah at times, but never could show.
Correct me if I am wrong but is this not Soles first year? I wouldn’t be too worried about him overtraining the athletes graduating this year. Overtraining is usually something that takes place over the course of your high school career, I think the seniors and juniors are safe, so I wouldn’t worry too much about Jenkins’ burnout.
In regards to SUU’s season, you’re correct, their top 3 did not get into the top 50 at regionals, but let’s look at their other results. They put 3 guys in the top 32 at pre nats with an average time of 24:10 on a hard Oklahoma course (albeit, not as competitive as other years due to Wisco being the same weekend) with their 4 and 5 being somewhere in the 100’s. At Notre Dame, their top 2 were significantly ahead of the rest (23:59 and 24:09) with their 3,4,5 being too far back to make an impact in the race. At their conference meet, they put 3 in the top 9 and 4 ahead of CBU’s 5 with an average time of 23:33. Their 3 clearly had a bad day at regionals (heard from a friend that their top 3 were dealing with sicknesses). Obviously, regionals is where it matters and they couldn’t perform, but to base their runners performances off of one bad race at regionals wouldn’t be fair.
SUU is clearly having some trouble with depth right now but they are in a big re-building phase. The same friend told me that Stefan Rasmussen (52nd in Oklahoma in 2021) and Kevin Ramos (Their 3rd man from last years national team) are not on the team anymore so that obviously affected them this year. Personally, I believe Houle is doing a great job with the cards he is being dealt with.
And to touch on the developing athletes point, it looks like most of their 9th place team was around 9:10 in high school which isn’t slow by any means but definitely not runners you would think would make up a top 10 XC team. Houle took these athletes and made them into a national caliber team. Nate Ostersock went from 9:11 in high school to 3:56 mile, 7:48 3k, 13:30 5k just this past year. Christian Ricketts went from 9:12 in high school to a 28:40 10k and 13:53 5k guy. Aiden Reed went from 9:06 in high school to a 28:44 and 13:52. Must I bring up Cam Levins and his development? Kasey Kanvelbard? Mike Tate? Nate Jewkes? Angie Nickerson? Alison Prey? All national caliber athletes and several all american honors. The list goes on. And again, these athletes weren’t national studs straight out of high school. It is clear that Houle does a great job of developing athletes so to say he needs to retire after one bad season, with a team that lost a bunch of their top guys all in one year, is just incorrect.
Donis is a XC runner. His track times are average at best which indicates that he has less upside than the other top guys. He certainly can get a little bit of money somewhere but I am guessing that he did not think it was sufficient.
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as real good race Sweetwater! As tons of collage runners came for cross cunttree champions league, as tons ran real good times, as most runners American as colleges America, but not all runners American at real good Sweetwater race. OK!