Shocking to see another Turkish Kenyan busted. Kenyan athletics has now been shown to be absolutely rife with doping, and anyone shifting nationalities to an unattractive destination merely for the money is inherently suspect, like all those Bahraini and Qatari transplants from Kenya and Morocco who have been banned. Add to that the long list of banned Turkish distance athletes and you have a winning cocktail.
I wonder why these countries are doing this? Presumably it's to buy some 'glory' and fake medals, and raise their profile a little on the international stage. Surely they realize that every time one of their transplanted athletes gets caught doping, it just colors their country as corrupt as East Africa, and that that does more damage than good to their profile and reputation?
Countries with a higher standard of living get many visa applications, and some kind of talent visa is generally required to get in. Athletes probably go to the top of the heap in terms of talent visas, amidst a sea of fake qualifications and "engineers" of dubious ability. At least athletic talent is provable.
AFAIK the "Kayas" are not related, they just picked the same Turkish surname. The most successful Turkish Kenyan has of course been Yasemin Can (4 XC and I think 3 European track titles and several more medals) who seems untarnished so far.
I wonder what happened to Ali Kaya? He seems to have retired in 2017 at age 23, just a year after coming second to Mo Farah in the European Championships. Another Athletics Kenya secret ban?
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whose father immigrated by boat to Spain and declared himself Spanish without papers for year. In a other article I have seen him complaining and saying I'm really a Spanish.
You are Spanish but do you forget your roots?
Not all Moroccan have this attitude. I know one very close to me (RIP) that have gone to France in 1967 with papers and Electrician job application (after a history of job with the Algerian France for years). He never traded his nationality for anything else and in a tape in the 70s he recorded "If someone want to plant a tree, he has to plant it in his own country...".
Shocking to see another Turkish Kenyan busted. Kenyan athletics has now been shown to be absolutely rife with doping, and anyone shifting nationalities to an unattractive destination merely for the money is inherently suspect, like all those Bahraini and Qatari transplants from Kenya and Morocco who have been banned. Add to that the long list of banned Turkish distance athletes and you have a winning cocktail.
I wonder why these countries are doing this? Presumably it's to buy some 'glory' and fake medals, and raise their profile a little on the international stage. Surely they realize that every time one of their transplanted athletes gets caught doping, it just colors their country as corrupt as East Africa, and that that does more damage than good to their profile and reputation?
Did you watch the US cross country championships? How about the US army runners? Stop your hate on East Africans, there are good and bad people everywhere! Even you has the right to be bad!
I wonder why these countries are doing this? Presumably it's to buy some 'glory' and fake medals, and raise their profile a little on the international stage. Surely they realize that every time one of their transplanted athletes gets caught doping, it just colors their country as corrupt as East Africa, and that that does more damage than good to their profile and reputation?
Did you watch the US cross country championships? How about the US army runners? Stop your hate on East Africans, there are good and bad people everywhere! Even you has the right to be bad!
No, the problem is that East Africa is a culture where corruption is endemic, and when you combine that with the fact that the financial incentive to dope is 100 x that of Western athletes, as well as the shady Western managers and coaches prepared to exploit and chemically abuse young East Africans. And it's all masked by this scientific racism idea that East Africans have some special adaption for running.
Rekrunner; why are these people taking EPO to the extent that they get caught, when it doesn't really increase performance?
The belief in EPO is widespread and deep, extending not only to unknowledgeable fans, but athletes and their coaches and management and greedy doctors. Athletes end up taking it because someone hopes it is worth the risk.
I suppose in this case, it could have something to do with running for Turkey.
If an athlete wants to benefit from increased EPO, my advice is to do it naturally at high altitude.
Did you watch the US cross country championships? How about the US army runners? Stop your hate on East Africans, there are good and bad people everywhere! Even you has the right to be bad!
No, the problem is that East Africa is a culture where corruption is endemic, and when you combine that with the fact that the financial incentive to dope is 100 x that of Western athletes, as well as the shady Western managers and coaches prepared to exploit and chemically abuse young East Africans. And it's all masked by this scientific racism idea that East Africans have some special adaption for running.
Do you realize your generalization here comes off real shady! It’s like saying oh corruption is endemic in Vietnam, therefore asians are corrupted!! Not all East Africans!! And not all kenyans even! The issue in Kenya is not that they don’t have huge talent in running in some tribes as you are trying to refute, but many others components are making doping becoming a culture of an easy way out! Some are cited in previous posts! But to be frank, why you wouldn’t? Imagine training your ass off like crazy for months then you manage to run 2h07-2h08 for a couple of races to only come home with zero $! No contracts available, only to get gears and shoes? You try one more year and find a flat race to run even faster to only get 1000$ a year!
Meanwhile, the westerns are running once a year and get big yearly contracts and big incentives just to show up in a race and run 2h12!
Trust me I am even impressed how not that many dope actually! The lack of opportunity for runners is blatant and with all the grind very few actually make it! But the way many Kenyans that are being transplanted in US as you belittle them as if they are not humans, they seem to be doing okay and participating in your economy without doping! What’s your take on this? Is US also corrupted to hide the doping cases for the East Africans?
Rekrunner; why are these people taking EPO to the extent that they get caught, when it doesn't really increase performance?
The belief in EPO is widespread and deep, extending not only to unknowledgeable fans, but athletes and their coaches and management and greedy doctors. Athletes end up taking it because someone hopes it is worth the risk.
I suppose in this case, it could have something to do with running for Turkey.
If an athlete wants to benefit from increased EPO, my advice is to do it naturally at high altitude.
Fans athletes coaches management doctors are all wrong and rekrunner is right?
Rekrunner; why are these people taking EPO to the extent that they get caught, when it doesn't really increase performance?
The belief in EPO is widespread and deep, extending not only to unknowledgeable fans, but athletes and their coaches and management and greedy doctors. Athletes end up taking it because someone hopes it is worth the risk.
I suppose in this case, it could have something to do with running for Turkey.
If an athlete wants to benefit from increased EPO, my advice is to do it naturally at high altitude.
Athletes take it who also run for Kenya. It's more or less a given.
It's amazing how after more than 30 years that this drug has been on the "market" that no top athlete has woken up to the fact that it is no more performance enhancing than a can of Coke - or some such placebo. So many dumb athletes and coaches. Especially, it seems, in Kenya. Do they have a natural tendency - like their running "talent" - to be stupid?
I find it amusing that you claim a "deep knowledge" of many things yet you also say these athletes have a similarly "deep and widespread" belief in that which doesn't work. Yet they use it - and you don't. In your "deep knowledge" there is something you haven't picked up there. To do with experience.
The belief in EPO is widespread and deep, extending not only to unknowledgeable fans, but athletes and their coaches and management and greedy doctors. Athletes end up taking it because someone hopes it is worth the risk.
I suppose in this case, it could have something to do with running for Turkey.
If an athlete wants to benefit from increased EPO, my advice is to do it naturally at high altitude.
Fans athletes coaches management doctors are all wrong and rekrunner is right?
In a nutshell. And which of them have experience with drugs and which one conspicuously doesn't?