my dd chose yale, son duke
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smart dude wrote:
This discussion frustrates me every time. About 50% of Ivy League students pay full price. That's $320k. Distance runners on average more affluent. Now if you ae Grant Fisher or Leo Young, why would they pay $320k to attend Harvard when they can attend Stanford for free? How about Roison Willis or Sofia Dudek?
Post a link showing that 50% of students at the Ivies are paying full freight. I know of students from families earning over $250K that have/are gotten/getting significant aid at Ivies.
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Smarter than it wrote:
Notice how nobody said NC State or NAU? Funny how the fanboys go nuts when people point out how dumb it was for top recruits to choose those schools unless they are dumb. And they are either dumb which caused them not to be eligible for Stanford or they were dumb for not choosing Stanford.
And you probably couldn't have been admitted to NC State or NAU so what does that make you? 😂
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smart dude wrote:
This discussion frustrates me every time. About 50% of Ivy League students pay full price. That's $320k. Distance runners on average more affluent. Now if you ae Grant Fisher or Leo Young, why would they pay $320k to attend Harvard when they can attend Stanford for free? How about Roison Willis or Sofia Dudek?
Understood, but the question was "where would you choose?"
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Yeah, my family only made $300k and it was about $25,000 off.
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cornell is a great choice wrote:
smart dude wrote:
This discussion frustrates me every time. About 50% of Ivy League students pay full price. That's $320k. Distance runners on average more affluent. Now if you ae Grant Fisher or Leo Young, why would they pay $320k to attend Harvard when they can attend Stanford for free? How about Roison Willis or Sofia Dudek?
Post a link showing that 50% of students at the Ivies are paying full freight. I know of students from families earning over $250K that have/are gotten/getting significant aid at Ivies.
Financial Aid Information at Dartmouth
For the academic year 2020-2021, a total of 2,338 students (52% of undergraduate students) received one or more financial aid including grants, scholarships, and/or student loans. The average financial aid amount is $47,411. For freshmen (Full-time, first-time degree-seeking undergraduate students), 695 students (58% of enrolled students) received financial aid.
The 2022 undergraduate tuition & fees at Dartmouth College is $60,870, for reference.10 -
56% of Brown students pay full price
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Colorado Boulder
run for Mark Wetmore
ski in off season fish in summer
be outside
mags
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Goraphlie wrote:
Colorado Boulder
run for Mark Wetmore
ski in off season fish in summer
be outside
mags
Winter isn’t off season and coach would never let athletes ski regardless. Or do you mean XC skiing?
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Goraphlie wrote:
Colorado Boulder
run for Mark Wetmore
ski in off season fish in summer
be outside
mags
Run for Mark Wetmore is a positive?
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new yerkeroo wrote:
Cornell is a weird place- with its strict college system, massive size and grad focus. it's more like Rochester or Syracuse than other ivies.
Hmm. CU *is* big--20k+ students--but ~3/4 of them are undergrads, so it's hard to understand your reference to a "grad focus." Stanford, by contrast, has more grad students than undergrads.
Having coached at URochester (which also has a higher percentage of grad students than Cornell), I can kind of understand your comparing it to CU; but its location and relative paucity of good running areas definitely distinguish it from the Cornell "feel."
And having coached at Syracuse and gotten a degree there, I can assure you that SU and CU are very different--though they do have almost the same total number of students. (Harvard is a bit larger than both. Now *there* is a university with a "grad focus"!)I've been to all the Ivies and the two that most gave me a vibe similar to Cornell's were Princeton and Dartmouth--though Cornell is certainly larger than the former and much larger than the latter.
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BRF wrote:
new yerkeroo wrote:
Cornell is a weird place- with its strict college system, massive size and grad focus. it's more like Rochester or Syracuse than other ivies.
Hmm. CU *is* big--20k+ students--but ~3/4 of them are undergrads, so it's hard to understand your reference to a "grad focus." Stanford, by contrast, has more grad students than undergrads.
Having coached at URochester (which also has a higher percentage of grad students than Cornell), I can kind of understand your comparing it to CU; but its location and relative paucity of good running areas definitely distinguish it from the Cornell "feel."
And having coached at Syracuse and gotten a degree there, I can assure you that SU and CU are very different--though they do have almost the same total number of students. (Harvard is a bit larger than both. Now *there* is a university with a "grad focus"!)I've been to all the Ivies and the two that most gave me a vibe similar to Cornell's were Princeton and Dartmouth--though Cornell is certainly larger than the former and much larger than the latter.
I see Cornell's student body as just 63% undergrad. 15,507+8,877. Which is quite grad focused.
Dartmouth and Cornell may *look* alike, but man they are different places. Dartmouth is a big Amherst or Williams...Cornell is giant research university.
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When talking about the best of both worlds, running and academics, it is impossible to beat Stanford. Also, the campus is nutso beautiful, and the weather is awesome.
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That's true for sure but money aside I would pick MIT. Not that Stanford is chopped liver or anything..Its also a lot nice weather..You'd also need to be a much more 'top recruit' to get a full ride (or any ride) at Stanford since its much more of an elite athletic dept. But for that person, sure..
Also the stats you cite are misleading. Lots of very wealthy kids attend Ivy Schools and of course they pay. But normal people pay much less. Very roughly, sub 75K families pay zero at many Ivys. 150K families pay around 15-20k at many Ivys.
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new yerkeroo wrote:
BRF wrote:
Hmm. CU *is* big--20k+ students--but ~3/4 of them are undergrads, so it's hard to understand your reference to a "grad focus." Stanford, by contrast, has more grad students than undergrads.
Having coached at URochester (which also has a higher percentage of grad students than Cornell), I can kind of understand your comparing it to CU; but its location and relative paucity of good running areas definitely distinguish it from the Cornell "feel."
And having coached at Syracuse and gotten a degree there, I can assure you that SU and CU are very different--though they do have almost the same total number of students. (Harvard is a bit larger than both. Now *there* is a university with a "grad focus"!)I've been to all the Ivies and the two that most gave me a vibe similar to Cornell's were Princeton and Dartmouth--though Cornell is certainly larger than the former and much larger than the latter.
I see Cornell's student body as just 63% undergrad. 15,507+8,877. Which is quite grad focused.
Dartmouth and Cornell may *look* alike, but man they are different places. Dartmouth is a big Amherst or Williams...Cornell is giant research university.
Ah. I was using a stat for graduate-school students at Cornell and did not include professional-school students. Thanks for the correction.
That would put Cornell and Princeton at almost precisely the same percentages, then: ~5400 undergrads and ~2850 grad students at PU. Seems to be nearly the same percentage at Dartmouth, as well.
So as you're using the term, all three would be "grad focused." Stanford and Harvard even more so, of course.10 -
Stats are what they are. 50% pay full price. Most runners are better off than the average. hat means more than 50% of top distance runners would pay $320k to attend an Ivy while they could attend Stanford or Notre Dame or Michigan or Duke for free. Those are pretty straight forward stats.
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And it is funny how you say money aside. I would live in a mansion, money aside ,rather than a 2000 square foot house. I would drive a range rover, money aside, rather than a Chevy Cruze.
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Cheyney. Go Wolves!
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Smarter than it wrote:
Notice how nobody said NC State or NAU? Funny how the fanboys go nuts when people point out how dumb it was for top recruits to choose those schools unless they are dumb. And they are either dumb which caused them not to be eligible for Stanford or they were dumb for not choosing Stanford.
Lmao. And yet in THE REAL WORLD, they do. This thread is dealing with a fantasy-land hypothetical where everyone could just go to whatever school they wanted with a full ride. That’s not reality. A lot of runners at these “elite” private schools will have to pay a lot out of pocket. I also don’t see much emphasis in this cute little discussion being placed on the quality of the Coach or team culture - which is a BIG reason why athletes choose NC State and Coach Henes...as well as NAU.
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