Is Footlocker (Champs) missing out on a true national championship?

thehonerablemention · 2022-12-11T23:16:10-05:00

Why does the west region for footlocker (champs) get ripped off by having NXN the same day as the regional, if i’m right all the other regions people can make both (Cole, Noah, Hunter ext) but people like Tyron Gorze, Aron Sahlman, the Young’s, and sSimmons ext arnt able to compete at champs because of this, if you ask me champs is missing out on a real national championship if you leave this region out. ( hats off to Sam Hanson of the west, he did not let the west side down)

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3 years ago 12/12/2022 5:51pm EST

re: thehonerablemention

This is highschool. I imagine there maybe lots of great highschool teams who can't compete in these events due to no budget for such a thing to even get to regionals. Thus, the idea of national high school cross country champs seems a bit contrived albeit fun to see regardless. Back in my day, many of us couldn't get to or run footlocker regionals either. There is no national highschool governing body but I very well could be way out of touch. Never heard of National highschool football champs either....and that's where school budgets go. I guess my point is there is no "true national championship" for highschool.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 7:56pm EST

re: Legit qualifying procedure?

Legit qualifying procedure? wrote:
NXN’s at large choices were far from the description of legit qualifying procedures….Top 10 teams were left home

and what qualifies as a ' Top 10 Team'? just because some poll says so? these teams had the opportunity to score as a top 2 or 3 team at their regionals...choosing at large teams is not easy and just because an at large team did not do well at the finals does not mean they did not belong and an arbitrary "top 10 team " did.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 8:01pm EST

re: Asbel Kiprop

Several top 25 guys didn't compete at any of the 3 national meets.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 8:01pm EST

re: Asbel Kiprop

Tully runner speed ratings, consistent ranking throughout the season, and finishing 20-30 points behind 2 teams at NXR that went on to finish 2nd and 4th at NXN qualify a Team as a Top 10 Team. I know it will never be a perfect system, but all I was saying is the criteria for qualifying can be cleaned up to ensure the best 22 teams are represented.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 8:18pm EST

re: falcone

falcone wrote:
You guys are the reason Cross Country was kicked off the Olympic schedule. Foot Locker delivered again another amazing race.

So? Everyone knows Aaron Sahlman is still the true national champion. What's the point in having this Champs JV meet if the national champion isn't there? #footblocker

3 years ago 12/12/2022 8:23pm EST

re: Footblocker

Sounds like more people are saying that he isn't which means your opinion is about as far from reality as possible.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 10:18pm EST

re: Footblocker

Footblocker wrote:
falcone wrote:
You guys are the reason Cross Country was kicked off the Olympic schedule. Foot Locker delivered again another amazing race.
So? Everyone knows Aaron Sahlman is still the true national champion. What's the point in having this Champs JV meet if the national champion isn't there? #footblocker

Aaron Sahlman benefited from unfair NXN system that is biased towards Cali, using the Cali state meet as a regional, allowing Cali runners to skip a step. Sahlamn's legs might not have been fresh enough to win NXN otherwise. If Nike wants to be taken seriously as THE national meet, then they need to stop favoring California.

3 years ago 12/12/2022 10:34pm EST

re: NXN Is Rigged For Cali

NXN Is Rigged For Cali wrote:
Footblocker wrote:
So? Everyone knows Aaron Sahlman is still the true national champion. What's the point in having this Champs JV meet if the national champion isn't there? #footblocker
Aaron Sahlman benefited from unfair NXN system that is biased towards Cali, using the Cali state meet as a regional, allowing Cali runners to skip a step. Sahlamn's legs might not have been fresh enough to win NXN otherwise.
If Nike wants to be taken seriously as THE national meet, then they need to stop favoring California.

That makes no sense. If your idea was enacted then the California Region meet would be the same day as NXN.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 4:14am EST

re: a few things

a few things wrote:
Tully runner speed ratings, consistent ranking throughout the season, and finishing 20-30 points behind 2 teams at NXR that went on to finish 2nd and 4th at NXN qualify a Team as a Top 10 Team. I know it will never be a perfect system, but all I was saying is the criteria for qualifying can be cleaned up to ensure the best 22 teams are represented.

I hope you know those speed ratings were crap this year.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 7:43am EST

re: thehonerablemention

There is history, weather and a better experience at Foot Locker (Champs). They need to figure their sponsor out, have the HQ at the Del Coronado again and do a better marketing job. It’s a simple fix. It’s also much better for kids to be recruited at FL. I’m not sure why anyone would choose NXN except for a high school coach that wants to say he got his team to nationals. FL still more prestigious AND fun.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:02am EST

re: Legit qualifying procedure?

Legit qualifying procedure? wrote:
NXN’s at large choices were far from the description of legit qualifying procedures….Top 10 teams were left home

It's impossible to pick at large and not leave someone out who deserves to be there.

I've said this before- back in the early days of NXN I had a girls team who was 17th best in NY State.

This is back when NY was dominating NXN. Just for the fun of it, I plugged our speed ratings into the NXN Meet and we would have beaten 3-4 teams.

Should we have been picked? Should 17 NY teams have been picked?

They get auto spots to the top 2 in each regions- that's legit.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:04am EST

re: The real nationals

The real nationals wrote:
There is history, weather and a better experience at Foot Locker (Champs). They need to figure their sponsor out, have the HQ at the Del Coronado again and do a better marketing job. It’s a simple fix. It’s also much better for kids to be recruited at FL. I’m not sure why anyone would choose NXN except for a high school coach that wants to say he got his team to nationals. FL still more prestigious AND fun.

I have two athletes who went to Nike. I now some kids who went to FL. I talked to one who went to both (different years).

They all thought Nike was the better experience. I know how my two athletes felt about it- they came home with so much merchandise that they gave me a "gift' from what they got.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:06am EST

re: a few things

a few things wrote:
Tully runner speed ratings, consistent ranking throughout the season, and finishing 20-30 points behind 2 teams at NXR that went on to finish 2nd and 4th at NXN qualify a Team as a Top 10 Team. I know it will never be a perfect system, but all I was saying is the criteria for qualifying can be cleaned up to ensure the best 22 teams are represented.

I cannot disagree.... your points are valid.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:14am EST

re: The real nationals

The real nationals wrote:
There is history, weather and a better experience at Foot Locker (Champs). They need to figure their sponsor out, have the HQ at the Del Coronado again and do a better marketing job. It’s a simple fix. It’s also much better for kids to be recruited at FL. I’m not sure why anyone would choose NXN except for a high school coach that wants to say he got his team to nationals. FL still more prestigious AND fun.

I've been to both ( FL 4x and even had a winner!).... both experiences are wonderful... BUT, a race with 40 kids compared to a race with 200, with a true team component is, to me, more meaningful.... as far as fun is concerned you cannot believe the lengths that Nike goes to make sure these kids come away with a life altering experience. By the way, XC is a true team sport with an individual component.... and yes, it's the "King of Sports"!

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:16am EST

re: Think Again

I don't see a plan. He merely pointed out the issue. One solution would be to eliminate regionals.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 8:23am EST

re: The real nationals

The real nationals wrote:
There is history, weather and a better experience at Foot Locker (Champs). They need to figure their sponsor out, have the HQ at the Del Coronado again and do a better marketing job. It’s a simple fix. It’s also much better for kids to be recruited at FL. I’m not sure why anyone would choose NXN except for a high school coach that wants to say he got his team to nationals. FL still more prestigious AND fun.

Eastbay and Champs Sports are owned by Footlocker.

It's not a sponsor issue, it's a marketing issue.

Alan

3 years ago 12/13/2022 9:41am EST

re: NXN Is Rigged For Cali

NXN Is Rigged For Cali wrote:
Footblocker wrote:
So? Everyone knows Aaron Sahlman is still the true national champion. What's the point in having this Champs JV meet if the national champion isn't there? #footblocker
Aaron Sahlman benefited from unfair NXN system that is biased towards Cali, using the Cali state meet as a regional, allowing Cali runners to skip a step. Sahlamn's legs might not have been fresh enough to win NXN otherwise. If Nike wants to be taken seriously as THE national meet, then they need to stop favoring California.

There's no advantage for CA, as they are running at least 6 weekends in a row anyway before NXN.

Actually a slight disadvantage coming north to the mud and cold, although the CA runners quite often overcome this issue.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 9:50am EST

re: Runningart2004

Runningart2004 wrote:
The real nationals wrote:
There is history, weather and a better experience at Foot Locker (Champs). They need to figure their sponsor out, have the HQ at the Del Coronado again and do a better marketing job. It’s a simple fix. It’s also much better for kids to be recruited at FL. I’m not sure why anyone would choose NXN except for a high school coach that wants to say he got his team to nationals. FL still more prestigious AND fun.
Eastbay and Champs Sports are owned by Footlocker.
It's not a sponsor issue, it's a marketing issue.
Alan

Their marketing mistake was when they declined Nike's offer to make Footlocker a team event.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 9:54am EST

re: Bullet the Blue Sky

Bullet the Blue Sky wrote:
This is on CA in my opinion; they are the outlier. Move the state meet up if you want athletes to compete in the bigger national meets. The rest of the nation can't wait around for an extra week or two. It's already a long season as it is. CA could even run their state meet after the national meets.

This. Many of the states in the midwest and west are done with their state meet by the end of October or first week of November, and then have a MONTH still until nationals. IMO the high school xc season is way too long with nationals. Even the NCAA is done by the time high school nats rolls up.

3 years ago 12/13/2022 10:00am EST

re: NY guy

Sahlman has 7 races in milesplit while Mathison has 11.

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