Indonesia CRIMINALIZES sex outside marriage

It's not really my place to judge Indonesia's policy on sex outside of marriage. But they chose traditional values over tourism profits and degenerate globalist financiers and that's something I can respect: Based.

Wonder how well the enforcement would work if the only folks that can report it are “close relatives” that would likely either have a disincentive or a perverse incentive to report.

The new code also makes practicing black magic illegal. Sigh, there goes my plan to retire in an Indonesian beach town as a black magician.

Do you honestly believe that tourists are going to stop coming to their beaches because of this? Doubtful. I've been to numerous countries where I did not agree with the government. It didn't affect the natural beauty of the area at all.

Yep, it will work exactly how you think it will. It's not like there will be police patrolling the hotels of foreign tourists in Bali. (If they did though, it would probably be a lot cheaper and less crowded for my wife and me to visit, so that'd be a plus)

How is putting non-married people in jail for having sex a "traditional value"?

Good question, but you had to know you weren't going to get an answer. Koko isn't looking for conversation. She's just practicing her Laura Ingraham routine, hoping to catch on with some no-talent media channel.

Koko's just a parrot. She mindlessly repeats whatever clever things she's read or heard recently -- "traditional values," "degenerate global financiers," and such.

Trying to have a conversation with her is literally like trying to have a conversation with a parrot: You just get frustrated, and the parrot learns a few new phrases, such as, "Stop repeating what I say," or "Why won't you answer my question," or "Please...listen...carefully."

If it's not your place to judge, then judging, and sharing those judgments, means you are someone who does not live up to her own values.

There's a flip side to that equation, and that is how much are illegitimacy and venereal disease costing the Indonesian taxpayers. I can't speak for Indonesia, but there is pretty good data on the costs of illegitimate children to the US taxpayer. It is estimated that illegitimate children cost the US taxpayer on the order of $112 billion annually. Additionally, the roughly 20 million new STIs each year cost the US about $16 billion annually. All in, you are looking at $128 billion a year. Total US travel revenue amounts to $220.1 billion a year. A cost benefit analysis would be interesting to take a look at, in so far as how much will tourism revenues decline from the new policy versus how much will the public burden of extramarital sex be reduced.

So you don't think LGBTQ couples will think twice about traveling there? And, personally, if I have to produce a marriage certificate to check into a hotel with my wife it makes me feel a little disconcerted. If I was single and traveling with a GF I would definitely think twice.

A very good precedent for China, Russia and Iran to adopt.

The draft bill does not criminalize same sex acts of LGBT persons, and Indonesia does not recognize same sex marriage, so you are in the clear.

Uhhhhhhm I though it was kind of obvious that not having sex before marriage was considered a traditional value. Especially in Indonesia.

I didn't know anyone disagreed with that. That's why I didn't bother to follow up.

Sorry, I was thinking of another book. The Bible is a totally different thing. The following is from the Bible. Sorry again for the confusion.

Genesis 19:8
“I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof”

You know that “taking the redpill” is a metaphor for coming out as trans, right?

It will probably work the same way it does now in Vietnam. Checking into a 5-star hotel: "her id better have the same last name as yours." Checking into a 3-star hotel: "do you folks need a condom or anything?"

The purpose of the law is not to go after tourists out having a good time, whether they come as an unmarried couple and stay together or come as a single and hook-up. The purpose of the law is to allow locals recourse to when their spouse cheats on them, and as a disincentive for such cheating. At present, if caught cheating, the man often has to pay the husband of the guy who's wife he cheated with. Now, in addition to that financial penalty, there also may be a criminal penalty.

Koko, you’re a woman, right? It is interesting that you’re offering the perspective of a female to the discussion here.

If you aren’t a woman, you’re an incel. That perspective is also interesting.

How does that work?

Standard rate?

Pre negotiated rate?

Decided by the court after the fact? If so, how does the court decide the rate? What is the jurisprudence? How beautiful the woman is?

Quite a different culture